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Why can't they just take a step back and let this deal cool off. Take the guy to court and put a lien on his property if he is violating the law. We don't need 200 armed feds to take down a cattle rancher, his family and his cows.. This is insane. Isn't there more important crap in this freakin world than some cows eating goverment grass ? And no I don't think the turtle is more important either..
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Why can't they just take a step back and let this deal cool off. Take the guy to court and put a lien on his property if he is violating the law. We don't need 200 armed feds to take down a cattle rancher, his family and his cows.. This is insane. Isn't there more important crap in this freakin world than some cows eating goverment grass ? And no I don't think the turtle is more important either.. -
Meanwhile, we're told the government doesn't have the manpower to defend the border AND Mexican military members are holding the Border Patrol at gunpoint while their drug shipments enter the USI wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool -
When you taunt the federal government and tell them you and your 14 kids are armed and planning to fight you should probably expect some jack booted thuggery.
I see the guys point but he doesn't have any legal claim to the land. Protecting the tortoise is just the excuse they have to finally enforce the laws. Getting away with something for decades doesn't change the legality of it. Personally I'd love to have several thousand acres available to use for whatever I want without having to maintain or pay taxes on it.Comment
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I agree. The thing is, he already had a mechanism to legally secure the land, which was range fees. He chose to quit paying them, and wants to play ruby ridge over it, because his feelings got hurt. Sure, his family has been in that valley for a long time, but they never bothered to deed any land when they settled there, so it became government land. He's a short-sighted moron.Originally posted by BP View PostZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! hehComment
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Bad play.Comment
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It happens a lot, only once was it officially documented though.Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
It really should read "Mexican Military" though. They were probably working for the cartels.Comment
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I happen to think the government is in the right on this one.Comment
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Feds took off for a bit:
Mexican military holds BP at gunpoint:
In the latest Mexican military incursion into the United States, two heavily armed camouflaged soldiers from Mexico actually crossed 50 yards inside Arizona and held American Border Patrol agents at gunpoint in a tense confrontation.
Armed with assault-style weapons, the Mexican soldiers retreated back south after a 35-minute standoff as if nothing ever happened and the Obama administration just let it slide. The unbelievable foray was made public by a mainstream newspaper that obtained government documents with alarming details of the January 26 incident. Specifically, the paper cites the Border Patrol Foreign Military Incursion report and a separate letter from U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner R. Gil Kerlikowske, an Obama appointee who was recently sworn in.
The Mexican soldiers were spotted by a Border Patrol agent entering the U.S. about 2.5 miles west of Sasabe Arizona shortly before 9 a.m. A second federal agent positively identified the two individuals in tan, digital camouflage uniforms, on foot traveling westbound, on the United States side of the International Boundary Fence Line, according to the report obtained by the newspaper. The Mexicans misidentified themselves to U.S. Border agents and claimed to be pursuing drug smugglers, the government documents say.
Kerlikowske admits that the intruders were “confirmed members of the Mexican military” but he asserts that U.S. border officials determined that no further action was necessary involving the matter. Like a loyal Obama lapdog Kerlikowske claims military incursions from Mexico are infrequent though he was apparently forced to admit that there were 23 incidents in the Tucson and Yuma sectors of Arizona since 2010, including three this fiscal year alone.
The latest incursion was one of the most serious in recent years, according to U.S. officials that apparently didn’t want their name printed in the newspaper. The same officials, clearly insiders privy to information that’s not made public, seem to indicate that Mexican soldiers aren’t chasing drug smugglers but rather protecting cartels as they transport their cargo into the United States through the treacherous desert.
Not surprisingly, Mexico’s government long denied that its soldiers were involved in the January incursion and initially suggested the men were drug smugglers somehow clad in military uniforms. When reporters confronted Mexican officials with the evidence the embassy changed its story to this: “Those individuals were part of a counter-narcotics operation, which had taken place a few minutes prior on the Mexican side of the border,” said Ariel Moutsatsos, minister for press and public affairs at the Mexican Embassy. “The two members of the Mexican army did not see any sign notifying them that they were crossing the border.”
The official version from the U.S. Embassy in Mexico is that incursions happen and that they are “unintentional.” No worries, says an American Embassy spokesperson quoted in the story, because U.S. officials work closely with their Mexican counterparts to ensure respect for the border and to return them quickly to Mexican territory. “The bilateral collaboration in these incidents testifies to the strength of our security cooperation,” the U.S. Embassy official said.
Judicial Watch has done a lot of work in this area and has obtained records from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that show Mexican military incursions occur quite often and go unpunished by the U.S. For instance, the DHS documents reveal 226 incursions by Mexican government personnel into the U.S. occurred between 1996 and 2005. In 2007 alone, 25 incursions occurred along the U.S.-Mexico border involving Mexican military and/or law enforcement. The problem has only gotten worse over the years, according to the records obtained in the course of JW’s ongoing investigation.
A few years ago police in Phoenix Arizona reported that three members of Mexico’s army conducted a violent home invasion and assassination operation that killed one person and littered a neighborhood with gunfire. The Mexican military officers were hired by one of that country’s renowned drug cartels to carry out the deadly operation, according to Phoenix police officials, who confirmed the soldiers were armed with AR-15 assault rifles and dressed in military tactical gear. An official police memorandum describes it as a “drug rip,” a tactical assault in which approximately 100 rounds were fired.I wear a Fez. Fez-es are coolComment
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From the daughter:
Sorry this is long but applicable here. By SHIREE BUNDY COX: I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks"I wear a Fez. Fez-es are coolComment
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Thanks for posting Jim & BP, i hadn't heard that story before.
and that chick needs to learn to fucking spell! fuck.Comment
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So what if she didn't use spellcheck. She still got her point across. Based on what she said, I can see why he is standing up to them. If it was me, I wouldn't wait for them to come steal my cattle before I went after them.Comment
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BOOM! head shot
BOOM! head shotComment
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I was thinking about this and how the average Joe could be treated in the same way. Except, instead of not paying BLM, we substitute Obummercare. Just like the rancher got tired of paying money to the BLM for nothing in return, Joe might get tired of paying the forced extortion money for obummercare. What will happen? Will the feds one day descend on his property and confiscate it to pay for the money he owes them? Will people be sympathetic to him. Will they stand and fight with him?Last edited by line-em-up; 04-09-2014, 01:44 PM.Comment
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