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    WASHINGTON – Momentum is building behind what would be an unprecedented effort to amend the U.S. Constitution, through a little-known provision that gives states rather than Congress the power to initiate changes.

    At issue is what's known as a "constitutional convention," a scenario tucked into Article V of the U.S. Constitution. At its core, Article V provides two ways for amendments to be proposed. The first – which has been used for all 27 amendment to date – requires two-thirds of both the House and Senate to approve a resolution, before sending it to the states for ratification. The Founding Fathers, though, devised an alternative way which says if two-thirds of state legislatures demand a meeting, Congress “shall call a convention for proposing amendments.”

    The idea has gained popularity among constitutional scholars in recent years -- but got a big boost last week when Michigan lawmakers endorsed it.

    Michigan matters, because by some counts it was the 34th state to do so. That makes two-thirds.

    In the wake of the vote, California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter pressed House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday to determine whether the states just crossed the threshold for this kind of convention. Like Michigan lawmakers, Hunter's interest in the matter stems from a desire to push a balanced-budget amendment -- something that could potentially be done at a constitutional convention.

    “Based on several reports and opinions, Michigan might be the 34th state to issue such a call and therefore presents the constitutionally-required number of states to begin the process of achieving a balanced budget amendment,” Hunter wrote.

    “With the recent decision by Michigan lawmakers, it is important that the House – and those of us who support a balanced budget amendment -- determine whether the necessary number of states have acted and the appropriate role of Congress should this be the case."

    If two-thirds of the states indeed have applied, the ball is presumably in Congress' court to call the convention.

    But Article V is rather vague, and it's ultimately unclear whether 34 states have technically applied. In the past, states like Oregon, Utah and Arizona have quietly voted to approve the provision in their legislature.

    But some of the 34 or so have rescinded their requests. Others have rescinded, and then re-applied.

    Alabama rescinded its request in 1988 but in 2011, lawmakers again applied for a convention related to an amendment requiring that the federal budget be balanced. It was a similar story in Florida in 2010.

    Louisiana rescinded in 1990 but lawmakers have tried several times, unsuccessfully, to reinstate the application since then.

    It's unclear whether the applications still count in these scenarios.

    Some constitutional scholars like Gregory Watson, an analyst in Texas, say once states ask, there may be no take-backs.

    “There is a disagreement among scholars as to whether a state that has approved an application may later rescind that application,” Watson told The Washington Times. “If it is ultimately adjudicated that a state may not rescind a prior application, then Ohio’s 2013 application for a Balanced Budget Amendment convention would be the 33rd and Michigan’s 2014 application would be the 34th on that topic.”

    Others say if a state changes its mind, it can no longer be part of the 34.

    Even if the requisite number of states have applied, questions remain about how such a convention would work -- and whether, as Michigan wants, such a convention could be limited to only discussing a balanced-budget amendment.

    It still may be a long shot, but some analysts are warning about the unintended consequences of such a move.

    In Louisiana, Budget Project Policy Analyst Steve Spire argued against the state's resolution, saying the convention could permanently damage the nation’s political system.

    The last time there was a successful amendment was more than four decades ago – the 26th Amendment which changed the voting age to 18. States ratified the 27th Amendment on congressional pay increases, but it took more than 200 years to do it.

    Momentum is building behind what would be an unprecedented effort to amend the U.S. Constitution, through a little-known provision that gives states rather than Congress the power to initiate changes.
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    Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
    In Louisiana, Budget Project Policy Analyst Steve Spire argued against the state's resolution, saying the convention could permanently damage the nation’s political system.
    Good.
    If two-thirds of the states indeed have applied, the ball is presumably in Congress' court to call the convention.
    In other words, this idea is D.O.A.
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    • #3
      So we're done here? Good game, everybody.
      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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      • #4
        If they call it just to push a balanced budget amendment, then good. If it goes further to do something like get rid of gun rights, then it could be very bad. Let us not forget politicians are voting on this, and when was the last time they were not trying to fuck us?
        I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
          If it goes further to do something like get rid of gun rights, then it could be very bad.
          Bad for them.

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          • #6
            (CNSNews.com) - Mark Levin, the nationally syndicated radio host who served as chief of staff in the Justice Department during the Reagan Administration, argues in his new book—The Liberty Amendments: Restoring the American Republic—that state legislatures should use the authority granted them in the Constitution to call a convention to propose amendments to the Constitution. “It is the only way out,” Levin said in an interview on CNSNews.com’s Online With Terry Jeffrey. “The federal government, Congress, the Supreme Court, the president, the bureaucracy, they are not going to reform themselves, they are not going to limit their activities. Only we can--through our state representatives from the bottom up.” Levin’s proposal is based on Article 5 of the Constitution, which says constitutional amendments may be proposed in two ways—either by two-thirds majorities in both houses of Congress or by a convention called by two-thirds of the state legislatures. Whichever way an amendment is proposed, however, it cannot become part of the Constitution unless it is ratified by three-quarters of the states. “It’s time to turn to the Constitution, to save the Constitution, if you love the Constitution, before there is no Constitution,” Levin told CNSNews.com. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mark....JuBO6BCj.dpuf

            more here, including video.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
              If they call it just to push a balanced budget amendment, then good. If it goes further to do something like get rid of gun rights, then it could be very bad. Let us not forget politicians are voting on this, and when was the last time they were not trying to fuck us?
              It takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment during an article V convention. Anything too crazy one way or the other would never go through, and for good reason, because 38 states would have to agree to it. .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                It takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment during an article V convention. Anything too crazy one way or the other would never go through, and for good reason, because 38 states would have to agree to it. .
                With the way politicians have been acting I would not put money on that.
                I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
                  With the way politicians have been acting I would not put money on that.
                  It only takes 13 states to block an amedmemt.


                  There are 26 states with solidly republican controlled legislatures. Many others that are evenly divided. Anything crazy left would not get through.

                  https://www.statescape.com/resources...rtysplits.aspx

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                    It only takes 13 states to block an amedmemt.


                    There are 26 states with solidly republican controlled legislatures. Many others that are evenly divided. Anything crazy left would not get through.

                    https://www.statescape.com/resources...rtysplits.aspx
                    You do realize that most republicans are just progressive liberals that put an "R" by their name to get elected, right?
                    I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
                      You do realize that most republicans are just progressive liberals that put an "R" by their name to get elected, right?
                      You do realize this might be the last and only chance to reign in our tyrannical government? Right?

                      No one in Washington, R or D, Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, Zombie Reagan, or anyone else can reign in the bureaucracy. You know the one that makes regulations by the tens of thousands. Regulations that have the force of law, but did not originate through Congress. So many regulations that they don't even know how many there are, but you sure as fuck better, because they will skull fuck you for violating them.

                      Since when is a Govt that hold mens rea in utter contempt not Tyrannical?

                      I hate to sound like Frost, but if this shit isn't turned around, and by that I mean the States, the ones the founders viewed as closest to the will of the people, taking the power the Founders left to them to right this wrong, then so much for the fucking Constitution.

                      Sorry for the rant, but you show me one other way short of armed revolution, and I'll be your first advocate for it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                        You do realize this might be the last and only chance to reign in our tyrannical government? Right?

                        No one in Washington, R or D, Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, Zombie Reagan, or anyone else can reign in the bureaucracy. You know the one that makes regulations by the tens of thousands. Regulations that have the force of law, but did not originate through Congress. So many regulations that they don't even know how many there are, but you sure as fuck better, because they will skull fuck you for violating them.

                        Since when is a Govt that hold mens rea in utter contempt not Tyrannical?

                        I hate to sound like Frost, but if this shit isn't turned around, and by that I mean the States, the ones the founders viewed as closest to the will of the people, taking the power the Founders left to them to right this wrong, then so much for the fucking Constitution.

                        Sorry for the rant, but you show me one other way short of armed revolution, and I'll be your first advocate for it.
                        Alot of the state governments are just as crooked and tyranical as the feds. I don't trust any of them when you get down to it.
                        I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


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