Hobby Lobby contraception case going to Supreme Court

[Sean88gt]

I guess the SCOTUS wont be making Chick-fil-A be open on Sundays anytime soon...

Much to Henry's dismay.

[The King]

We dont share the same opinion then. The only reason employers started offering health ins plans was for it to be a benefit to help in hiring employees. The insurance co's put together a "group buy discount" so that they could sell it to companies.

So when looking for a job, one of the 'perks' was to get offered health coverage, and that may sway you to choosing that company, even if the pay wasnt equal. Now we expect it to be offered, and make laws to ensure that it happens.

Spot on post Baron. Speaking for myself, employer-sponsored health insurance was indeed a major factor in my choice of employers oh so many years ago.

[talisman]

This country is so lopsided when it comes to the people vs corporations, I honestly can't believe anyone would be in favor of giving them more power. They already run the goddamn country.

[CJ]

Corporations are people.

[YALE]

Corporations are people.

Cognito ergo sum?

[Rick Modena]

Much to Henry's dismay.

Ha!






Fuck that place!

[2011GT]

Let's be clear, the ACA was not a solution to a problem, it was another problem that exacerbated an already large problem. Insurance should be used in case of emergency, not regular maintenance.

Do you use your car insurance for maintaining your vehicle? Perhaps home owners insurance for regular upkeep on your house. Health is the only institution where we use insurance for maintenance duties, and the reason it has become as such is because 1) insurance is paying for it, leading to the idea that "It's not my money, so why do I care?" We need to tackle the cost and mindset issues, not who's going to pay for it.

So what should insurance be for? It shouldn't be used to pay for medications people need? For annual physicals? Flu shots?

[racrguy]

So what should insurance be for? It shouldn't be used to pay for medications people need? For annual physicals? Flu shots?

Are annual physicals, medications and flu shots a regular health maintenance? I don't think you grasped where I was going when you responded like this.

And what was that already large problem?

See my edit. I typed it up before lunch and thought I submitted it, apparently I didn't.

[Sgt Beavis]

Corporations are people.

That is why this court ruling will ultimately be our undoing. I support HB's goal but this will accelerate our countries decent into Oligarchy.

[CJ]

I really don't see how it's going to be our undoing, care to explain?

[talisman]

Corporations are people.

They are made up of people, but they are not people. Of course our government disagrees with that notion so it can keep the cash rolling into its own pockets. At any rate, now we get to deal with companies arbitrarily deciding what tenants of their religion they want to abide by as corporate policy. Read this earlier:

"Calling bullshit on Hobby Lobby and their claim that providing birth control under the ACA violates their "religious freedom."

If Hobby Lobby wants to play the "Christian beliefs" card then they must be required to follow all of them, including:

...Healthcare for all employees "care for the sick"

...Food stamps "feed the poor"

...And equal profit sharing "sell your belongings and give the money to the poor."

They should also provide child care and paid maternity leave since they're not giving employees much choice in whether they have kids or not.

It would be the Christian thing to do."


Perfect.

[mstng86]

They are made up of people, but they are not people. Of course our government disagrees with that notion so it can keep the cash rolling into its own pockets. At any rate, now we get to deal with companies arbitrarily deciding what tenants of their religion they want to abide by as corporate policy. Read this earlier:

"Calling bullshit on Hobby Lobby and their claim that providing birth control under the ACA violates their "religious freedom."

If Hobby Lobby wants to play the "Christian beliefs" card then they must be required to follow all of them, including:

...Healthcare for all employees "care for the sick"

...Food stamps "feed the poor"

...And equal profit sharing "sell your belongings and give the money to the poor."

They should also provide child care and paid maternity leave since they're not giving employees much choice in whether they have kids or not.

It would be the Christian thing to do."


Perfect.

I wonder how much the HB corporation pays in tithes every year.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[CJ]

They are made up of people, but they are not people. Of course our government disagrees with that notion so it can keep the cash rolling into its own pockets. At any rate, now we get to deal with companies arbitrarily deciding what tenants of their religion they want to abide by as corporate policy. Read this earlier:

"Calling bullshit on Hobby Lobby and their claim that providing birth control under the ACA violates their "religious freedom."

If Hobby Lobby wants to play the "Christian beliefs" card then they must be required to follow all of them, including:

...Healthcare for all employees "care for the sick"

...Food stamps "feed the poor"

...And equal profit sharing "sell your belongings and give the money to the poor."

They should also provide child care and paid maternity leave since they're not giving employees much choice in whether they have kids or not.

It would be the Christian thing to do."


Perfect.

That all sounds pretty ridiculous. Here's the thing, you don't like what a company is doing, don't take the job offer. It's a free market. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I have a fundamental problem with government sticking their nose into the free and open market, in any fashion. And if corporations are not people, what are they then?

[talisman]

That all sounds pretty ridiculous. Here's the thing, you don't like what a company is doing, don't take the job offer. It's a free market. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I have a fundamental problem with government sticking their nose into the free and open market, in any fashion. And if corporations are not people, what are they then?

They are services.

[CJ]

They are services.

So a corporation is composed of services? Do these services produce income, balance books, and pay taxes? You see how ridiculous this is. Of course a corporation is composed of people, it's common sense. The left works diligently to convince people that corporations are big, evil, nameless/faceless conglomerates that work to destroy and imprison all citizens. The truth is they are a group of people that are in business together for the expressed purpose of making a profit. Just like any business, and any individual. I think it's misguided to believe government has any business telling an individual, a company, or a corporation how and what they should provide. Especially when that thing is entirely subjective and discretionary. It is government tyrannical encroachment, and this constant never ending government expansion must stop. I see no difference between the government saying employers must provide abortions to employees and they cannot name their football team the Redskins.