Don't it make my Red state Blue...

[bird_dog0347]

I`m sure you do mean what you say, and you are well meaning when you say it. However, if you vote in politicians that are against something because they are offering something else you like ( even though the discrimination they are for doesnt affect you - even if you are against it ), then you are supportative of it via plausible deniabilty.

If the Republicans had not run off the those voters ( and voters like me ), then there never would have been a President Obama in the first place.

Just something to think about the next time you go into a voting booth and vote for that lower taxes, small limited government, 2nd amendment defender, God fearing, Aborting hating, "marriage protector" you vote for and cant understand why that ideology has so much resistance against it.

So by your logic, I can either waste a vote entirely with a write in candidate, or vote entirely the other way? There are things in my life that I hold more valuable than others. For example, I want the government to have far less power. I am 100% for guns, for anyone who is not a felon. If less money was spent on welfare, social programs, etc. we wouldn't need higher taxes. There's so much waste associated with democrat agendas. While I am for LGBT marriage, it would be irresponsible of me to vote for all the things I'm against in order to get that one thing.

I don't know why I bother as I write this. You've got your mind made up and I've made my choices. The difference is that the choices you make are greatly affecting all Americans negatively. The choices I make while not perfect and can't make everyone happy, at least don't support wealth redistribution, criminalizing legal responsible gun owners, etc.

[Trip McNeely]

Nope, I don't tow the party line and I'm a strict constitutionalist. You on the other hand, were a RINO at best, looking for a reason to suck the socialist D

No this douche likes to say he "used to be" Republican so he can argue for both sides against, typical Narcissist. He's full of shit.

[Forever_frost]

Sounds like the usual canned line used against someone that refuses to tow the party line - no matter how many objectionable "add ons" are added.

Nope, I don't tow the party line and I'm a strict constitutionalist. You on the other hand, were a RINO at best, looking for a reason to suck the socialist D

[Pokulski-Blatz]

We are shifting towards blue because of the same reason most people you meet seem to feel the same way because the Democrats realised they no longer have to appeal to the people you typically are around in order to win.

Unless the people you meet are any of the following ( or combination of ):

1. A minority
2. Unmarried single white female
3. Under the age of 35 college educated/in college
4. Immigrant/first time voter

Then they are most likely to vote Republican, and be in a shrinking demographic.

You should go read your posts. You might see why people don't like liberals.

[Lajntx]

Are we shifting towards the "blue?" I don't think so because I honestly think that there is a large amount of Republicans who feel the same way a lot of us on DFWM's do.

We are shifting towards blue because of the same reason most people you meet seem to feel the same way because the Democrats realised they no longer have to appeal to the people you typically are around in order to win.

Unless the people you meet are any of the following ( or combination of ):

1. A minority
2. Unmarried single white female
3. Under the age of 35 college educated/in college
4. Immigrant/first time voter

Then they are most likely to vote Republican, and be in a shrinking demographic.

[Lajntx]

Pretty sure you never were a conservative judging by your posts. That would be small government, max individual liberty and responsibility. Not getting that vibe from you

Sounds like the usual canned line used against someone that refuses to tow the party line - no matter how many objectionable "add ons" are added.

[Lajntx]

I said I'm a conservative... Not in the GOP. I'll vote for the best person available for the office they are running for, not straight ticket.

I completely agree that the GOP is killing themselves. You said we all have plausible deniability, but that doesn't apply to me and sorta irks me that you make a sweeping statement to include me that basically calls me a liar. I mean what I say, and I say what I mean.

I`m sure you do mean what you say, and you are well meaning when you say it. However, if you vote in politicians that are against something because they are offering something else you like ( even though the discrimination they are for doesnt affect you - even if you are against it ), then you are supportative of it via plausible deniabilty.

If the Republicans had not run off the those voters ( and voters like me ), then there never would have been a President Obama in the first place.

Just something to think about the next time you go into a voting booth and vote for that lower taxes, small limited government, 2nd amendment defender, God fearing, Aborting hating, "marriage protector" you vote for and cant understand why that ideology has so much resistance against it.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Which makes me wonder why you would die for rights that are allegedly diminishing for a country you do not believe in anymore. Seems kind of wonky. I dunno, I think the better solution would be to bug out if that's the way you really feel...

I think the idea of what the US was supposed to be can be saved, but not with our current government.

[SS Junk]

I have no hope in this country anymore.

Which makes me wonder why you would die for rights that are allegedly diminishing for a country you do not believe in anymore. Seems kind of wonky. I dunno, I think the better solution would be to bug out if that's the way you really feel...

[Forever_frost]

I can see where you would believe that, but it`s not true at all. LGBT people are no more conservative or liberal in percentages breakdown as a goup than the general population. They ALL go for the Dems/Liberal movement because the GOP the last 20 years has gone to great lengths to kick them out of the party to keep the evangelical wing happy.

I know several gay business owners in Texas that are clients of the company I work for that would rejoin the GOP in a heartbeat if the party would get out of the business of making them "not welcome".

For me personally, this is the exact reason why I STOPPED being a republican/conservative because I got to witness firsthand in 2004 at both the state ( Texas ) & GOP National conventions the log cabins being asked: "to leave because they were told beforehand to NOT show up". My wife on the otherhand, still votes for a straight GOP ticket -- Oh well.

What really is evident on this board is the plausible deniability of the typical GOP/Conservative voter -- " We dont have anything against gays, and dont believe in discrimination " proclamations -- Yet they still vote for politicians that do because they want a tax cut.

Enjoy 2014 is all I can say because `16, `18, `20, & `22 will be bloodbaths for you.

Pretty sure you never were a conservative judging by your posts. That would be small government, max individual liberty and responsibility. Not getting that vibe from you

[bird_dog0347]

I hate to say this, but you sound just exactly where I was 10 years ago while volunteering in my spare time at the local GOP office for the `04 elections.



Seeing what took place at the state & national conventions was bad enough, but the final straw for me was right around election day at the church I was attending the conversation about gays "destroying" marriage came up and how Kerry was bad because he supported it ( He actually supported civil unions and not marriage - but they refused to believe it ) and somehow I was forced into the conversation and really told them how I felt....



Texas will easily pass a ban on marriage, civil unions, adoption, legal rights, etc and it would last about 10 years before legal precedence began to strike down those laws and in 15-20 years gay marriage would be 50 states legal. The best way to avoid this would be to support civil unions to give those people legal rights and the whole situation about marriage could be averted for another 30-40 years while it was slowing brought in and society would be able to handle it better. Needless to say it didnt go over well, I was asked to leave, and later informed I shouldnt come back - ever.



I left both the GOP and that denomination ( SBC ) after that, went to a different church ( met my wife there ), and kind of enjoy getting the last laugh on that prediction.

I said I'm a conservative... Not in the GOP. I'll vote for the best person available for the office they are running for, not straight ticket.

I completely agree that the GOP is killing themselves. You said we all have plausible deniability, but that doesn't apply to me and sorta irks me that you make a sweeping statement to include me that basically calls me a liar. I mean what I say, and I say what I mean.

[jdgregory84]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/...al-5270099.php


So a "Federal" judge (the U.S. Government) rules Texas' ban on gay marriage unconstitutional. I wonder if they plan on going after the other 16 states that ban gay marriage, or if they're just trying to turn one of the largest Red states into a Blue one....

Like others have said, I don't care about the gay marriage issue, in all honesty, pretty small issue that affects a very small percentage of society, and only for the better. It affects nobody in a negative way. Gun control is a whole different issue, as well as Obamacare. That shit has a HUGE impact on the majority of citizens and from my point of view, it's all negative.

Are we shifting towards the "blue?" I don't think so because I honestly think that there is a large amount of Republicans who feel the same way a lot of us on DFWM's do.

[Lajntx]

Who effing cares, worry about your damn self and not what other people want to do in their private lives and this isn't an issue. Government should stay out of our private lives, and this includes LGBT crowd as well. It's no one else's damn business.

One of my close friends is completely against gay marriage and when I press him on the issue he says it is due to his religious beliefs. However he chooses to ignore the side of those christian beliefs that would have him forgive others and help him to understand that it's not his place to judge them. He also claims to be a staunch republican but I can't see how they can be soooooo against government control except when it is used to exude power that isn't theirs.

I'm a conservative, but this whole thing bugs the crap out of me. Who gives a damn, that is actually minding their own business?

For the record I'm straight and married, I have a gay uncle and my sister in law is gay and wants BADLY to get married to her woman but can't in this state.

I hate to say this, but you sound just exactly where I was 10 years ago while volunteering in my spare time at the local GOP office for the `04 elections.

Seeing what took place at the state & national conventions was bad enough, but the final straw for me was right around election day at the church I was attending the conversation about gays "destroying" marriage came up and how Kerry was bad because he supported it ( He actually supported civil unions and not marriage - but they refused to believe it ) and somehow I was forced into the conversation and really told them how I felt....

Texas will easily pass a ban on marriage, civil unions, adoption, legal rights, etc and it would last about 10 years before legal precedence began to strike down those laws and in 15-20 years gay marriage would be 50 states legal. The best way to avoid this would be to support civil unions to give those people legal rights and the whole situation about marriage could be averted for another 30-40 years while it was slowing brought in and society would be able to handle it better. Needless to say it didnt go over well, I was asked to leave, and later informed I shouldnt come back - ever.

I left both the GOP and that denomination ( SBC ) after that, went to a different church ( met my wife there ), and kind of enjoy getting the last laugh on that prediction.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Sucks to pin your hopes on that party until enough of that 30% dies off is all I can say.

I have no hope in this country anymore.

[Lajntx]

Yes. Liberals uprooted their entire lives, quit their jobs, sold their houses, because some vague unnamed legislation failed, and moved to Texas specifically just to try to undermine our wholesome family values. Sounds legit.

The reality is that frustrated conservatives from the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast ARE moving to Texas - if they can aford do so, Check out any new(er) subdivision in any DFW suburb and notice when the out of state moving vans come in that the owners cars plates will typically be from those areas.

I see Texas becoming slightly more conservative before the demographic shift happens in 2022/24 ( if it happens at all )