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    With post offices and postal workers already on the ground, USPS could partner with banks to make a critical difference for millions of Americans who don't have basic banking services because there are almost no banks or bank branches in their neighborhoods.


    The poor pay more.

    According to a report put out this week by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) of the U.S. Postal Service, about 68 million Americans -- more than a quarter of all households -- have no checking or savings account and are underserved by the banking system. Collectively, these households spent about $89 billion in 2012 on interest and fees for non-bank financial services like payday loans and check cashing, which works out to an average of $2,412 per household. That means the average underserved household spends roughly 10 percent of its annual income on interest and fees -- about the same amount they spend on food.

    Think about that: about 10 percent of a family's income just to manage getting checks cashed, bills paid, and, sometimes, a short-term loan to tide them over. That's more than a full month's income just to try to navigate the basics.

    The poor pay more, and that's one of the reasons people get trapped at the bottom of the economic ladder.

    But it doesn't have to be this way. In the same remarkable report this week, the OIG explored the possibility of the USPS offering basic banking services -- bill paying, check cashing, small loans -- to its customers. With post offices and postal workers already on the ground, USPS could partner with banks to make a critical difference for millions of Americans who don't have basic banking services because there are almost no banks or bank branches in their neighborhoods.

    Families rely on financial services more than ever, but those who need them most -- who struggle to make ends meet -- too often must contend with sky-high interest rates and tricks and traps buried in the fine print of their loan products.

    This is not a new problem, and policymakers in Washington have long sounded the alarm. Michael Barr -- an assistant secretary of the Treasury under President Obama and law professor at University of Michigan -- has pushed on this issue for years. As Chair of the FDIC, Sheila Bair put in place a Committee on Economic Inclusion to generate ideas for expanding access to lower-cost banking services. (I had the honor of serving as a committee member.) And we've taken some important steps forward. The new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), for example, is a cop on the beat that is putting in place commonsense rules to protect consumers and ensure that payday lenders are held accountable when they break the law.

    There has been momentum in the right direction, but there is so much more work to do to make sure that families have access to affordable and fair financial services.

    That is why the OIG report is so interesting. If the Postal Service offered basic banking services -- nothing fancy, just basic bill paying, check cashing and small dollar loans -- then it could provide affordable financial services for underserved families, and, at the same time, shore up its own financial footing. (The postal services in many other countries, it turns out, have taken steps in this direction and seen their earnings increase dramatically.) The report has provoked a great deal of discussion, and it is worth reading David Dayen's article about it at the New Republic -- "The Post Office Should Just Become a Bank: How Obama can save USPS and ding check-cashing joints."

    The Postal Service is huge -- employing more than a half million people -- and its history is long and complicated. Any change will take time. But this is an issue I am going to spend a lot of time working on -- and I hope my colleagues join me. We need innovative ways to create pathways for struggling families to build economic security, and this is an idea that falls in that category.
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    Better idea than their clothing line, at least.

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    • #3
      People who don't have bank accounts, in my experience, are those that cannot get them because they are trying to avoid IRS / Gov't seizure, or have burned too many banks and left balances due in their wake. Any deposit accounts the postal service opened would be the same.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Chili View Post
        People who don't have bank accounts, in my experience, are those that cannot get them because they are trying to avoid IRS / Gov't seizure, or have burned too many banks and left balances due in their wake. Any deposit accounts the postal service opened would be the same.
        completely agree!

        I have a brother in law who spends his entire pay check on pay day loans. And when the dumb ass gets one paid off, he gets another damn loan.

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        • #5
          It's unreal how much money those places make....

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          • #6
            This is such a load of shit. Like Chili said, it's people who are so irresponsible with money, they can't even have a checking account. It's absolutely true. I deal with these type of customers all day long. They pay with visa gift cards for everything. If you give them a checking account, they will overdraft it immediately, be so far in arrears they will just bail on the account. A lot of people don't understand just how many of these types there are. They simply cannot manage money, period. It puts a load on lending institutions. Banks simply are unwilling to and unable to turn a profit on customers this high of a risk. The only people willing to do it are high interest rate pay as you go places. That's the free market absorbing the risk and off setting it with fees (these kind of fees are the only way to make it profitable). Now, in typical government fashion, they are going to step in and intervene on the free market system and the end result is they will waste millions of your tax dollars, mark my word.
            "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
            "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CJ View Post
              This is such a load of shit. Like Chili said, it's people who are so irresponsible with money, they can't even have a checking account. It's absolutely true. I deal with these type of customers all day long. They pay with visa gift cards for everything. If you give them a checking account, they will overdraft it immediately, be so far in arrears they will just bail on the account. A lot of people don't understand just how many of these types there are. They simply cannot manage money, period. It puts a load on lending institutions and banks, they simply are unwilling to and unable to turn a profit on customers this high of a risk. The only people willing to do it are high interest rate pay as you go places. That's the free market absorbing the risk and off setting it with fees. Now, in typical government fashion, they are going to step in and intervene on the free market system.
              A guy on our softball team is a dm for one of these check cashing places. One night we went out for beers and of the 25 or so stores he has his lowest profit store per month turned a $12k profit. That's after all bills paid, payroll, etc. He said his average store has over 50 active title loans at one time and it's the same people that keep coming back, and back, and back. And it isn't like they have that high of a default rate. Their goal is 85%, the 15% he said that don't pay, they just write it off. Soft collection calls is the most they will do, they don't even waste time trying to repo the car, they don't want it. I'll end on this, he said his top store did $7000 in check cashing fees so far this year in tax season. That is unreal....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SMKR View Post
                A guy on our softball team is a dm for one of these check cashing places. One night we went out for beers and of the 25 or so stores he has his lowest profit store per month turned a $12k profit. That's after all bills paid, payroll, etc. He said his average store has over 50 active title loans at one time and it's the same people that keep coming back, and back, and back. And it isn't like they have that high of a default rate. Their goal is 85%, the 15% he said that don't pay, they just write it off. Soft collection calls is the most they will do, they don't even waste time trying to repo the car, they don't want it. I'll end on this, he said his top store did $7000 in check cashing fees so far this year in tax season. That is unreal....
                It's what the market will bear. My parent company does exactly these kinds of loans. There are other lenders that will come in and attempt to run lower margins, and they always fail. If it could be done, there would be competitors doing it. 12k/mo for a lender is not big time profits by any stretch, even if that is their lowest performer. A single bad title loan would easily wipe out that entire month. The default rates you're referencing are because they probably have guaranteed payback via draft, which a lot of these lenders do (I have a familiarity with this because of my customers, and the other local consumer branches). As for title loans, if you underwrite them correctly, and have proper equity you can keep DQ down.
                "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CJ View Post
                  It's what the market will bear. My parent company does exactly these kinds of loans. There are other lenders that will come in and attempt to run lower margins, and they always fail. If it could be done, there would be competitors doing it. 12k/mo for a lender is not big time profits by any stretch, even if that is their lowest performer. The default rates you're referencing are because they probably have guaranteed payback via draft, which a lot of the lenders do. As for title loans, if you underwrite them correctly, and have proper equity you can keep DQ down.
                  Yea, im not familiar with that industry, just going off what he said, but it's hard to fathom. Top store profits near 90k month (per him) and his worst store at 12k he said may see 10-15 customers a day max since it's in a horrible location but based on the open loans they have it just sits there and prints money. But I bet if the post office gets into this, they will find some way to not turn a profit with it......

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SMKR View Post
                    Yea, im not familiar with that industry, just going off what he said, but it's hard to fathom. Top store profits near 90k month (per him) and his worst store at 12k he said may see 10-15 customers a day max since it's in a horrible location but based on the open loans they have it just sits there and prints money. But I bet if the post office gets into this, they will find some way to not turn a profit with it......
                    Here's another way to look at it. These lenders by and large have investors and other financial backers. Not to mention thousands of employees. The government intends to step in with an infinite amount of capital and undercut every other lender, effectively destroying the market. The government doesn't fail, ever. Look at the post office, they lose hundreds of millions of dollars annually and here they are getting into another market. It's being sold as helping poor innocent victims of capitalism and evil banks. Which is code for government subsidizing. I am vehemently opposed to this as it is typical government free market intervention. It destroys our system and always ends up costing us tons of money and jobs. Hell, this could easily wipe out my parent company, and my job "for the poor."
                    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                    • #11
                      What they want is a vehicle that they can use to corner the market and shut down banks that cannot be gotten rid of because it's constitutional.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CJ View Post
                        Here's another way to look at it. These lenders by and large have investors and other financial backers. Not to mention thousands of employees. The government intends to step in with an infinite amount of capital and undercut every other lender, effectively destroying the market. The government doesn't fail, ever. Look at the post office, they lose hundreds of millions of dollars annually and here they are getting into another market. It's being sold as helping poor innocent victims of capitalism and evil banks. Which is code for government subsidizing. I am vehemently opposed to this as it is typical government free market intervention. It destroys our system and always ends up costing us tons of money and jobs. Hell, this could easily wipe out my parent company, and my job "for the poor."
                        This. It also makes local post offices into targets for armed robbery.
                        ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by YALE View Post
                          This. It also makes local post offices into targets for armed robbery.
                          It's possible especially if the criminals figure out that the security at the PO is pretty lax.

                          I honestly don't see this going past check cashing services. USPS doesn't have the resources or security measures to take on loan making. They can't hire anyone new and they have ZERO money to update security in so many locations that have systems running off VHS tapes that have been recycled for the last 15 years.

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                          • #14
                            There are actually several postal services around the world that also provide banking services. The postal service in Japan quickly comes to mind.

                            That said, the biggest problem with the USPS isn't the USPS. It is a US Congress that didn't let them keep any of their earnings when they were profitable. Congress didn't even let them put the money away to fund pensions. Of course there are other issues but that is the biggest one.

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                            • #15
                              And the line at the post office is already too long now.

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