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    Gotta love Utah! "wah" to the gun grabbers.
    SALT LAKE CITY -- State lawmakers are debating whether to designate a semiautomatic pistol as the official gun of Utah, despite protests from people who believe it's inappropriate because of recent mass shootings.

    The bill to make the Browning M1911 the official gun breezed through a committee hearing this week and is scheduled to be debated by the full House as early as Wednesday.

    Republican Rep. Carl Wimmer said the state should have the gun as one of its state symbols to honor John Browning, a Utah native who invented it in 1911.

    "He invented a firearm that has defended American values and the traditions of this country for 100 years," Wimmer told the House Political Subdivisions Committee.

    Utah has 24 state symbols recognizing the history, geography and culture of the state. They include a state cooking pot, a state tree, a state hymn and a state folk dance.

    The committee approved the bill to add a state gun on a 9-2 vote.

    Wimmer said the Browning M1911 is widely used by the military, police officers and private citizens, which is why he chose the pistol instead of another Browning gun.

    Gun Violence Prevention Center board member Steve Gunn told The Associated Press honoring the M1911 is wrong because the people who opened fire in most recent U.S. mass shootings used semiautomatic pistols. That includes the Jan. 8 Arizona shooting in which six people were killed and 13 - including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords - were wounded with a Glock pistol.
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    "It's an embarrassment to the state to have as a symbol that was used only a few weeks ago to kill innocent people," Gunn said.

    Wimmer told the AP he had been planning the bill for about a year and the Arizona shooting did not change his mind.

    "There is nothing about the actions of a madman to change the fact that firearms have been used throughout our history to defend American values and traditions," Wimmer said.

    House Minority Leader David Litvak said while he opposes designating a state gun, the Arizona shooting did not give the debate any urgency.

    "We need to be careful about using that tragedy to push a political position," the Democrat said.

    He suggested the state honor Browning in a different way that focused on his many inventions, not just one of his guns.

    Jennifer Seelig, who voted against the measure said she did not see the debate as pro- or anti-gun. Instead, it is about the message sent by the state having such a polarizing symbol, she said.

    "It has a lot of deep-rooted, complex and complicated meanings on a wide spectrum, from defending life to taking it," said Seelig, also a Democrat.

    Seelig said she supports gun rights and has a permit to carry a concealed weapon. But like Litvack, she would prefer to honor Browning in a different way.

    Republican Rep. Stephen Sandstrom told the committee that recognizing the M1911 is an appropriate honor for Browning. Instead of the gun being blamed for killing people, it should be credited for saving lives on the battlefield, Sandstrom said.

    "Tragic events happen because of bad people in this world. But handguns, and firearms in general, do not kill people," Sandstrom said. "We need to stop demonizing firearms."
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    LMAO! Give 'em hell!!!

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    • #3
      Sweeet!



      What should we vote as our official state gun? Colt Single Action Army?
      Originally posted by lincolnboy
      After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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      • #4
        lolz @ Gunn protesting guns
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        • #5
          I vote AR15 gun of Texas!!! That or a Colt Peacemaker.
          WRX

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          • #6
            10/22

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            • #7
              I vote the Peacemaker
              I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                • #9
                  Nice

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                  • #10
                    I wonder if anyone has ever killed anyone with a cooking pot? Oh shit, how tasteless it is for Utah to have that as a state symbol.
                    Originally posted by racrguy
                    What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                    Originally posted by racrguy
                    Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                    • #11
                      I didn't know mormons liked guns enough to make a semi-pistol the state gun. Thats not a historically important or even "romantic" gun.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                        I didn't know mormons liked guns enough to make a semi-pistol the state gun. Thats not a historically important or even "romantic" gun.

                        A disproportionate percentage of Federal Law Enforcement is Mormon and all Mormons understand the need to keep guns along with their food storage. Yes; Mormons like guns.

                        A 1911 isn't romantic???? I give them as Valentines gifts.
                        Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                          I didn't know mormons liked guns enough to make a semi-pistol the state gun. Thats not a historically important or even "romantic" gun.


                          How is a 1911 not historically important? Gun has been used in every war since WWI.
                          "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by svo855 View Post
                            A disproportionate percentage of Federal Law Enforcement is Mormon and all Mormons understand the need to keep guns along with their food storage. Yes; Mormons like guns.

                            A 1911 isn't romantic???? I give them as Valentines gifts.
                            lol, I'll send you my address for next month then.

                            Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
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                            How is a 1911 not historically important? Gun has been used in every war since WWI.
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol
                            I understand. I suppose I still see it as a "late model" firearm. Without the charm of an old long rifle or revolver, which were made legendary in their times.

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                            • #15
                              It should be something historic to Utah.

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