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    It seems my "tinfoil hat" theory of the government's new plan to disarm undesirables by claiming mental illness is becoming a reality more and more each day. Earlier this year he set the groundwork for doctors to use their agendas to help disarm people, and now he is taking it another step forward.


    HONOLULU (AP) — The Obama administration on Friday announced a pair of executive actions aimed at strengthening federal background checks for gun purchasers, with a particular focus on limiting firearm access for those with mental health issues.

    One proposed rule change aims to clarify terminology used by federal law to prohibit people from purchasing a firearm for mental health reasons. The administration said states have complained that some wording is ambiguous, making it difficult to determine who should be blocked from buying a weapon.

    A second proposed rule change would give hospitals and other entities covered by patient privacy provisions more flexibility in the information they provide to the background check system. However, the administration said the rule change would not require reporting on general mental health care or legally prohibit someone from having a firearm solely because they sought treatment.

    The White House announced the proposals while President Barack Obama was vacationing in Hawaii.

    Obama put forward sweeping gun control measures last year following the horrific elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn. But the toughest proposals, including stricter background checks, fell flat on Capitol Hill, forcing the White House to rely on piecemeal measures that can be implemented without congressional approval.

    Several perpetrators of the nation's worst mass shootings have had mental health issues, including Newtown shooter Adam Lanza. However, they acquired their guns in different ways, with Lanza using firearms purchased by his mother when he went on a rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary.

    In announcing the proposed rule changes, the White House also called on Congress to again tackle gun control issues this year. However, there's little indication that lawmakers plan to take up the issue.

    "Today, we are taking steps to further strengthen the federal background check system. It's time Congress joins us in this effort," Vice President Joe Biden wrote on Twitter. Biden has headed up the White House's anti-gun violence efforts following the Newtown shooting.

    Friday's rule changes were proposed by the Departments of Justice and Health and Human Services. The agencies must accept and analyze public comments before issuing final rules.
    Stevo
    Originally posted by SSMAN
    ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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    But I should stop yelling about the constitutionality of all of this because I may turn some people off
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    • #3
      Isnt that what so many people were saying? Dont take the guns, take the mental people!
      WH

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
        But I should stop yelling about the constitutionality of all of this because I may turn some people off


        Approaching a subject with reason is not the same as not talking about it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gasser64 View Post
          Isnt that what so many people were saying? Dont take the guns, take the mental people!
          Crazy people having guns is such a minuscule problem it might even be non-existent, speaking from a statistical standpoint.
          Originally posted by talisman View Post
          Approaching a subject with reason is not the same as not talking about it.
          That's no shit.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by racrguy View Post
            Crazy people having guns is such a minuscule problem it might even be non-existent, speaking from a statistical standpoint.
            Maybe in the same realm as the percentage of citizens in the country who didn't have health insurance but wanted it and truly couldn't afford it?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gargamel View Post
              Maybe in the same realm as the percentage of citizens in the country who didn't have health insurance but wanted it and truly couldn't afford it?
              I recall reading somewhere that in a poll done, over half of the people without health insurance were fine with it and price wasn't a factor. I personally fit into that category, but I have had health insurance through my former employer because it didn't cost me anything, and with my new employer and obamacare it's going to cost me ~80/month. Granted, that is a very small amount of money, I'd just rather not be told I have to spend it.

              Sorry about going off on the tangent.

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              • #8
                The problem is that the GOV is making it far easier for people who have agendas to label someone as mentally ill, and once one of those people label you as such, your rights are gone forever. If a liberal doctor decides that you are 'anti-social' (and yes, that is a listed mental illness now), you will be disarmed with no recourse. Doctors no longer have to use a set guideline to make mental evaluations, just open opinion.

                0bama's first round of executive orders cleared the way for liberal doctors to question if you have firearms while making a 'diagnosis' (previously illegal for them to ask), it also cleared the way for those same doctors to report that information to the government (previously illegal for them to do as well), and the last round gives them a free-pass for them to tell who ever they choose.

                Stevo
                Originally posted by SSMAN
                ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                • #9
                  I suppose it's not hard for doctors with an agenda to declare almost every veterans with PTSD.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stevo View Post
                    The problem is that the GOV is making it far easier for people who have agendas to label someone as mentally ill, and once one of those people label you as such, your rights are gone forever. If a liberal doctor decides that you are 'anti-social' (and yes, that is a listed mental illness now), you will be disarmed with no recourse. Doctors no longer have to use a set guideline to make mental evaluations, just open opinion.

                    0bama's first round of executive orders cleared the way for liberal doctors to question if you have firearms while making a 'diagnosis' (previously illegal for them to ask), it also cleared the way for those same doctors to report that information to the government (previously illegal for them to do as well), and the last round gives them a free-pass for them to tell who ever they choose.

                    Stevo
                    Originally posted by txminime View Post
                    I suppose it's not hard for doctors with an agenda to declare almost every veterans with PTSD.

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                    That's why if any doctor asks about firearms, my retort is going to be, "WTH does that have to do with <insert current affliction>!?!?" and never give them an answer.
                    "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                      Crazy people having guns is such a minuscule problem it might even be non-existent, speaking from a statistical standpoint.

                      I know but that seemed to be what I heard a lot of. Im no obama fan but whenever all those shootings happen everybody was saying don't take the guns. Take the crazy people! Or something like that. And now it looks like he is doing it.
                      WH

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                      • #12
                        Never let a good tragedy go to waste.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                          That's why if any doctor asks about firearms, my retort is going to be, "WTH does that have to do with <insert current affliction>!?!?" and never give them an answer.
                          That answer would factor into the doctor's 'diagnosis' of whether you have any number of the mental illnesses that they can unilaterally 'diagnosis' you with.

                          Originally posted by Gasser64 View Post
                          I know but that seemed to be what I heard a lot of. Im no obama fan but whenever all those shootings happen everybody was saying don't take the guns. Take the crazy people! Or something like that. And now it looks like he is doing it.
                          The problem isn't taking the weapons from mentally ill people, it is who they consider mentally ill, and WHO is making the decision that those people are mentally ill.

                          Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                          Never let a good tragedy go to waste.
                          You need to go back to not making sense again, I feel dirty when I am forced to agree with you.

                          Stevo
                          Originally posted by SSMAN
                          ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stevo View Post

                            The problem isn't taking the weapons from mentally ill people, it is who they consider mentally ill, and WHO is making the decision that those people are mentally ill.
                            I read somewhere that if you watch porn more then an hour a month you have a mental illness.
                            "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

                            -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                              Never let a good tragedy go to waste.
                              Exactly, and this wouldn't have done anything to keep Adam Lanza from shooting up Sandy Hook. Unless they want to try and regulate gun control based on who might have access to the weapons.

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