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    The media was abuzz last month with news that the first female Marines passed enlisted infantry basic training, but the Army is not yielding to any pressure to open its own infantry basic training to women, or any of its still closed combat arms schools or courses.

    The Army will not open any of those schools to women, including Ranger school, until the service has opened the combat jobs to women, said David Brinkley, deputy chief of staff, operations and plans for Training and Doctrine Command.

    “Our view is, when we open [the military occupational specialty], we start sending women to the training,” Brinkley said Dec. 4 after briefing the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services. “When we open infantry up, we start sending women.”

    The female Marines who graduated from infantry basic training will not be assigned to infantry jobs because those jobs in the Marine Corps are not yet open to women. The women will go to different MOSs.

    That is a situation the Army wants to avoid.

    “Why would you send somebody to training and then not be able to use them as they were trained?” Brinkley said. “We have a fundamentally different approach than the Marines. I’m very confident that we are scientifically and legally grounded.”

    At the briefing, Brinkley said male soldiers were concerned that political pressure would force the Army to impose quotas or let women into combat MOSs when they were not qualified.

    He said he knows people want the Army to move faster in its gender-integration efforts, but that the Army is taking a deliberate and scientific approach to ensure standards are not lowered.

    Brinkley said Ranger school has not opened because the school primarily feeds Rangers to Ranger-coded positions.

    “It’s tied to the opening of the positions,” Brinkley said. “This rush to grandstand the opening of some school would be only done for some sort of political view. To open something to grandstand is not the right way to do it.”

    Brinkley said when the infantry MOS is opened, then Ranger school would be, too.

    “This is about opening up everything effectively without lowering standards or decreasing readiness,” he said. “We want to make sure that the Army is better at the end of this.”
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    It makes sense. If you aren't going to use them for what you trained them to do, why train them for it?
    ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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    • #3
      And the Army is refusing to do the PR thing and just graduate women infantrymen to make themselves look good like the Marines did.
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      • #4
        I fully dig refusal to engage in PR nonsense.
        ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
          And the Army is refusing to do the PR thing and just graduate women infantrymen to make themselves look good like the Marines did.
          Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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          • #6
            I agree that we simply pushed female Marine though ITB just to look good.....and I'm a Marine. I blame Amos myself haha.

            Now that we wasted the money to send the chicks though ITB we now have to spend more money to put them though their original MOS schools and get them to the fleet which is wasting even more time. Some of these chicks might be a year and a half or more though their enlistments before they even make it to the fleet and start doing their jobs.
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            • #7
              The Army brass using some common sense? Now I have to worry about the coming apocalypse..

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              • #8
                I was rather surprised to hear the Army say this as well. My guess is the Rangers said "Umm fuck that" and did their own thing. Tabs carry weight in some places and Washington can make the edicts they want but it can be slow walked due to 'implementation issues' for a while
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                • #9
                  Yeah, I'm surprised the Army did not and the Marines did. Marines not giving a fuck about PR was something I was always a little envious of being from the Army.

                  I KNOW this is not PC, but women in units was and is always a hassle for all involved. Maybe 10% make themselves equal (attitude, physically and so on) in a support role. Even at that, they are barely exceeding the minimum on PT scores. However, the ones that do a good job are really great to work with. However, the other 90% are a nightmare.

                  The other 90% are what freak you out when the rubber hits the road. I know folks like to think that combat arms protect all the support slackers. Truth be told there are a lot paving their own ways and you need to be able to count on your buddies. (Retrans as an example)
                  Originally posted by MR EDD
                  U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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