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    TLDR: New budget proposal increases spending, takes COLA raises from military retirees, vets pissed. Add this to Tricare Prime loss and vets are feeling the pinch of the breaking of faith with warriors.


    WASHINGTON — Despite strong resistance from veterans advocates, Senate Democrats on Thursday vowed to push through a proposed budget deal to avoid steep funding cuts and government shutdown threats for the next two years.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., praised the budget agreement — brokered by budget committee chairs Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. — as an important compromise for Congress and the country.

    “We didn’t get everything we wanted, but neither did they,” Reid said. “That’s what we used to do.”

    For more than two years, the federal budget has been patched together through a series of continuing resolutions, last-minute updates and — in October — a reluctant agreement after a two-week government shutdown.

    The new budget deal calls for spending caps for fiscal 2014 and 2015 of about $1.01 trillion. It replaces the mandated sequestration cuts created during a summer 2011 fiscal fight with alternate budget trims and several new fees and revenues.

    But among those savings is a reduction in cost-of-living increases for military retirees under the age of 62. Veterans advocates, furious over the proposal, have vowed to fight the plan in the waning days of the 2013 legislative session.

    In a letter to Congress and the White House on Wednesday, members of the Military Coalition — 33 veterans and military advocacy organizations — called the proposal “an egregious breach of faith” driven by “an arbitrary deadline so that Congress can go home for the holidays.”

    Officials from the Military Officers Association of America estimated that the proposed 1 percent cut in the annual inflation calculation for retiree pay will cost a typical enlisted member $83,000 over 20 years, and a typical retired officer more than $124,000 over the same span.

    On Thursday, officials from Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and the Army Warrant Officers Association questioned whether the $7 billion in savings over 10 years from the COLA change was crucial to the budget deal, insisting more palatable alternatives could be found.

    Murray, acknowledging the veterans groups’ objections said that veterans “want to know there aren’t going to be furloughs, layoffs and cutbacks that are dramatic to the issues they care about.”

    The advocates called that a false choice.“This isn’t ‘shut down the government’ or ‘make military retirees pay for the solution,’” said Tom Tarantino, chief policy officer for IAVA.

    In a statement, the Veterans of Foreign Wars national commander, William Thien, said the COLA change proposal “needs to be buried.”

    But the veterans groups will have a tight timeline to do that.

    House members are expected to vote on the proposal by the end of the week. The Senate will take up the issue next week.

    Several Senate Republicans have vowed to fight the measure, but Reid said he is confident the measure can be approved before the chamber breaks for the holidays on Dec. 20.

    If a deal can’t be reached, lawmakers will be forced to scramble another short-term budget deal by mid-January or face another government shutdown.

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    WASHINGTON — One of the biggest sources of veterans’ disappointment in the breakthrough budget deal passed by the House on Thursday night may soon get a fresh, second look — a trim in military pensions.

    Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., said Friday he shares the concerns raised this week by veterans’ advocacy groups about the one percent cut in annual cost-of-living increases for non-disabled veterans under 62 years old, and will use his committee to review it after the holiday recess.

    The COLA cut generated $7 billion towards the budget deal that is expected to pass the Senate next week, but it infuriated veterans groups. Since the House adjourned Friday for the rest of the year, the bill cannot be amended, so the change is all but certain to go into law.

    The Military Officers Association of America has estimated it will cost a retiring Army Sergeant first class about $3,700 a year and a typical retired officer more than $124,000 over 20 years. And in a letter to Congress and the White House on Wednesday, members of the Military Coalition — 33 veterans and military advocacy organizations — called the proposal “an egregious breach of faith.”

    The Veterans of Foreign Wars was even more blunt, issuing a statement this week that said the proposal “should be buried.”

    Levin's Friday statement reminded the public that the change won’t take effect until December 2015, and that his committee will review the issue after it reconvenes in January, long before the change takes effect. He also noted that a review of the military retirement and compensation system is underway by an independent panel.

    Speaking to Stars and Stripes, Levin said the COLA cut could be reversed and fixed retroactively.

    “I don’t know anyone who’s happy about (the deal),” Levin told Stars and Stripes. “We’re going to review it. We’re going to look at the whole benefits issue for veterans … I can’t obviously make a commitment, but I am committed to reviewing this and looking at the impacts.”

    Levin’s counterpart, House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon, R-Calif., has also expressed concern about the cut in pension pay. Noting the independent panel’s current study of possible reforms, he called for the panel to avoid incremental changes such as the COLA change because they “generate uncertainty and are corrosive to the all-volunteer military.”

    “If we are going to change compensation, I would prefer it to be done at one time in a transparent manner that considers the entire spectrum of compensation. By impacting the pensions of current military retirees while grandfathering current civilian employees, this particular provision represents an imbalance,” McKeon said.

    Sen. John McCain of Arizona, a senior Republican member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, called complaints about the pension cut “very legitimate” Friday. But since far-right Republicans in the House were prepared to shut down the government again, he said the change was a forced choice.

    “Shutting down the government would be terribly harmful as well. Because of this process we’re in, we’re faced with hot-seat choices,” McCain said. “The whole atmosphere here is totally poisoned. There’s no cooperation, there’s no comity, and it can’t get much worse.”

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    • #3
      Well in all fairness everything needs to be trimmed down in this massive budget.
      I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
        Well in all fairness everything needs to be trimmed down in this massive budget.
        No cuts or lifetime limits on welfare, no reduction in COLA for federal employees or welfare recipients. I'd have less of an issue if vets weren't singled out and it was "We're not doing COLA for 2 years to kind of right the ship." Would it suck? Yes, but it'd be fair.
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        • #5
          The Last of the Light Brigade
          ~Rudyard Kipling

          There were thirty million English who talked of England's might,
          There were twenty broken troopers who lacked a bed for the night.
          They had neither food nor money, they had neither service nor trade;
          They were only shiftless soldiers, the last of the Light Brigade.
          They felt that life was fleeting; they knew not that art was long,
          That though they were dying of famine, they lived in deathless song.
          They asked for a little money to keep the wolf from the door;
          And the thirty million English sent twenty pounds and four!
          They laid their heads together that were scarred and lined and grey;
          Keen were the Russian sabres, but want was keener than they;
          And an old Troop-Sergeant muttered, "Let us go to the man who writes
          The things on Balaclava the kiddies at school recites."
          They went without bands or colours, a regiment ten-file strong,
          To look for the Master-singer who had crowned them all in his song;
          And, waiting his servant's order, by the garden gate they stayed,
          A desolate little cluster, the last of the Light Brigade.
          They strove to stand to attention, to straighten the toil-bowed back;
          They drilled on an empty stomach, the loose-knit files fell slack;
          With stooping of weary shoulders, in garments tattered and frayed,
          They shambled into his presence, the last of the Light Brigade.
          The old Troop-Sergeant was spokesman, and "Beggin' your pardon," he said,
          "You wrote o' the Light Brigade, sir. Here's all that isn't dead.
          An' it's all come true what you wrote, sir, regardin' the mouth of hell;
          For we're all of us nigh to the workhouse, an' we thought we'd call an' tell.
          "No, thank you, we don't want food, sir; but couldn't you take an' write
          A sort of 'to be continued' and 'see next page' o' the fight?
          We think that someone has blundered, an' couldn't you tell 'em how?
          You wrote we were heroes once, sir. Please, write we are starving now."
          The poor little army departed, limping and lean and forlorn.
          And the heart of the Master-singer grew hot with "the scorn of scorn."
          And he wrote for them wonderful verses that swept the land like flame,
          Till the fatted souls of the English were scourged with the thing called Shame.
          They sent a cheque to the felon that sprang from an Irish bog;
          They healed the spavined cab-horse; they housed the homeless dog;
          And they sent (you may call me a liar), when felon and beast were paid,
          A cheque, for enough to live on, to the last of the Light Brigade.
          O thirty million English that babble of England's might,
          Behold there are twenty heroes who lack their food to-night;
          Our children's children are lisping to "honour the charge they made - "
          And we leave to the streets and the workhouse the charge of the Light Brigade!
          ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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          • #6
            ^nicely done. The government will consume from us until they have to consume us.

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            • #7
              Well done, Yale. And exactly what I would have cited. That's why you're my dawg, dawg.
              "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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              • #8
                So if I am reading this all correctly, you are mad you are not getting a large government check because others are getting a large government check? What happened to volunteering to serve in the military for the ideals you believe in, and not for a check?
                I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
                  So if I am reading this all correctly, you are mad you are not getting a large government check because others are getting a large government check? What happened to volunteering to serve in the military for the ideals you believe in, and not for a check?
                  I would imagine "love of country" goes only so far. If you're willing to take a bullet for your country, your country should be willing to take care of you and your family, regardless of whether or not you eat that bullet. High risk should equal high reward, regardless of what it is. Lazy dumb Dan and his family ain't doing a goddamn thing to help this country, but they're making more money sitting on their fat fuckin ass than Mr. "I ate a fucking bullet for my country and I'm still here to tell the tale" Frost.

                  Who in the fuck do you think deserves the money more?

                  This goddamn government is gonna fuck up enough to the point nobody will even be willing to join the military-it won't be worth it. Then what will the government do?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
                    So if I am reading this all correctly, you are mad you are not getting a large government check because others are getting a large government check? What happened to volunteering to serve in the military for the ideals you believe in, and not for a check?
                    Not at all. I'm used to my Republic asking me to do stupid shit and take risks for it while others sit on their ass and enjoy the benefits of the blood of my brothers and sisters that is shed on the field of battle. What I'm livid about is not only did they cut Tricare Prime and force 200,000 families from care and kick them to the more expensive Standard, we're also expected to be okay with our retirement benefits being gutted as well so that more spending on welfare and those fucking idiots in New York claiming to have a Nation of Islam farm in NYC to get 100k for farming or Obama going on 100 million dollar trips while cutting White House visits for kids.

                    Or claiming to be able to cover healthcare for everyone while current VA caseloads have them just now getting to 2010 cases. Don't believe me? I can show you the nice letter they sent my congressman who is fighting with me against the VA.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                      No cuts or lifetime limits on welfare, no reduction in COLA for federal employees or welfare recipients. I'd have less of an issue if vets weren't singled out and it was "We're not doing COLA for 2 years to kind of right the ship." Would it suck? Yes, but it'd be fair.
                      I'm not sure if Social Security counts as welfare, but the last three years have seen the lowest COLA for it in many years.

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                      Originally posted by SSMAN
                      ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stevo View Post
                        I'm not sure if Social Security counts as welfare, but the last three years have seen the lowest COLA for it in many years.

                        Stevo
                        You pay into social security though it's a panzi scheme. Food stamps, EBT's, section 8 medicare (I think it's medicare) count as welfare as those who pay into the system aren't eligible to use them and those getting them don't pay for them.
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                        • #13
                          Ponzi.

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                          • #14
                            Reality check, no one REALLY gives a shit about veterans other than veterans.

                            Yeah, it's somewhat of a voter base that's about it.

                            Don't get me wrong, I agree with you but I believe what I say is reality. I'm guessing there are far more welfare voters.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ceyko View Post
                              Reality check, no one REALLY gives a shit about veterans other than veterans.

                              Yeah, it's somewhat of a voter base that's about it.

                              Don't get me wrong, I agree with you but I believe what I say is reality. I'm guessing there are far more welfare voters.
                              See, I'm hoping you're wrong. I'm actually betting that enough people out there who aren't vets are tired of seeing welfare queens handed the store while there are homeless vets who are missing limbs wrapped in a pancho liner under an overpass.
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