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    On Friday a federal appeals court struck down ObamaCare's HHS contraception mandate, deciding that the requirement is an infringement upon religious |


    On Friday a federal appeals court struck down ObamaCare’s HHS contraception mandate, deciding that the requirement is an infringement upon religious liberty.
    According to The Hill, the D.C. Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 in favor of two Catholic brothers, Francis and Philip Gilardi, who own a 400-person produce company based in Ohio. The Gilardis argued that they oppose contraception due to the tenets of their Catholic faith, and challenged ObamaCare’s provision that requires them to provide free contraception to their employees through a health insurance plan.
    The brothers claimed that if they chose not to obey the law, they would incur a $14 million fine.

    A requirement that companies cover their employees’ contraception, the court ruled, is unduly burdensome for business owners who oppose birth control on religious grounds, though they may not be purchasing contraception directly.
    The Obama administration argued that the requirement is necessary to protect women’s right to decide whether and when to have children. It is expected the Supreme Court will ultimately pick up the administration’s appeal and make a final decision on its constitutionality.

    “The burden on religious exercise does not occur at the point of contraceptive purchase; instead, it occurs when a company’s owners fill the basket of goods and services that constitute a healthcare plan,” wrote Judge Janice Rogers Brown on behalf of the court. “It is clear the government has failed to demonstrate how such a right – whether described as noninterference, privacy, or autonomy – can extend to the compelled subsidization of a woman’s procreative practices.”

    Brown added that denying coverage of contraception would not undermine the Affordable Care Act’s requirements that health insurance provide preventative care. The Gilardis’ employees will still be covered for counseling, screenings, and tests, the judge observed.

    “The provision of these services — even without the contraceptive mandate — by and large fulfills the statutory command for insurers to provide gender-specific preventive care,” Brown wrote. “At the very least, the statutory scheme will not go to pieces.”
    The two judges on the panel who dissented said the rights of religious people do not extend to the companies they own.
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    Aparently, religion trumps common sense. Just because its there, just because it has to be offered, does not mean that you have to use it.

    So its included in the insurance plan. Who cares? If you don't believe in using it, if none of your workers use it, then its just words on paper, nothing more.

    Its not like they're being forced to keep condoms, foams, gels, jellies, sponges, pills, vag rings etc etc etc on hand or anything.

    Stupid religious people and their closemindedness.

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    • #3
      So now you're bound by your employers religious tenets. That's cool.

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      • #4
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        • #5
          Originally posted by asphaltjunkie View Post
          Aparently, religion trumps common sense. Just because its there, just because it has to be offered, does not mean that you have to use it.

          So its included in the insurance plan. Who cares? If you don't believe in using it, if none of your workers use it, then its just words on paper, nothing more.

          Its not like they're being forced to keep condoms, foams, gels, jellies, sponges, pills, vag rings etc etc etc on hand or anything.

          Stupid religious people and their closemindedness.

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          I fail to see how contraception is a health issue and thus would be covered by health insurance.

          Don't want the risk of a kid or STD? Don't have sex. Easy peasy and NO money involved! W00t! It's almost akin to, don't want to risk lung cancer, don't smoke! WOW!
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          • #6
            It's a private company. Barry has no business dictating anything in their health plan, regardless of what it is. At some point, employer's will just cancel all employee coverage and send them to Barry-Care site for all their health needs. But hey, at least they can get a free rubber.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by racrguy View Post
              So now you're bound by your employers religious tenets. That's cool.
              Under what constitutional authority does the FEDERAL government have to dictate what a company must provide as a benefit?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by asphaltjunkie View Post
                Aparently, religion trumps common sense. Just because its there, just because it has to be offered, does not mean that you have to use it.

                So its included in the insurance plan. Who cares? If you don't believe in using it, if none of your workers use it, then its just words on paper, nothing more.

                Its not like they're being forced to keep condoms, foams, gels, jellies, sponges, pills, vag rings etc etc etc on hand or anything.

                Stupid religious people and their closemindedness.

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                You cannot force a person to violate their faith just because someone else wants something for free. They want it? Go buy it themselves
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                  Under what constitutional authority does the FEDERAL government have to dictate what a company must provide as a benefit?
                  Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                  You cannot force a person to violate their faith just because someone else wants something for free. They want it? Go buy it themselves
                  Well, you certainly have a firm grasp of all the subject matter involved.

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                  • #10
                    The only reason I am for the contraceptive mandate is because I'm all for the babymakers on the gov't teat to be able to go get some form of protection to keep them from popping out more kids they can't care for that we pay for. I'd rather have to pay for condoms for the rest of their life than their 8 chilrens who probably won't grow up to be quality members of society.

                    It's a double edged sword. Can't tell em not to fuck, can't tell em to use protection. All that can be done is offer it to them, and HOPE like hell that they take advantage of it.

                    And as far as the beliefs against it go, like I said...if they don't believe in it, if they don't condone using them, then all they have to do is treat it like words on paper. That's all it would be.

                    Oh, we can't have free contraceptives so maybe the babymaker/titmilkers of the country will stop shooting out babies because some Christians don't believe in contraceptives. What's next? Banning pork from all BBQ restaurants because some Muslims threw a fit? I know it's not the same, but it's equally as retarded.

                    Hobby Lobby threw a big ass hissy fit about this shit not too long ago. "We're a Christian run organization, and we don't believe in contraceptives blah blah blah..." How many bitches working for Hobby Lobby do you think are on the pill? I'd bet there's more than you'd think. So, if they're a "Christian run organization", and they've got an employee on the pill....shouldn't they be able to fire that person because they dont' "fit in" with the organizations "Christian ideals"? Just like they refuse to let their insurance provider offer contraceptives to their employees?

                    It sounds so cut and dry to me. If you don't want to have the insurance you provide for your employees to provide them with contraceptives based on religious views, then don't hire people who are on, or could be on contraceptives themselves. Then, you wouldn't have to worry about the insurance offering contraceptives, because you don't employ anyone who needs/uses them.

                    Oh...wait a minute....you can't do that. You can't disregard hiring or terminate an individual based on their religious beliefs-that's discrimination!

                    Just get rid of the whole healthcare mandate already and everyone shut the fuck up about it...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by asphaltjunkie View Post
                      Aparently, religion trumps common sense. Just because its there, just because it has to be offered, does not mean that you have to use it.

                      So its included in the insurance plan. Who cares? If you don't believe in using it, if none of your workers use it, then its just words on paper, nothing more.

                      Its not like they're being forced to keep condoms, foams, gels, jellies, sponges, pills, vag rings etc etc etc on hand or anything.

                      Stupid religious people and their closemindedness.

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                      Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                      So now you're bound by your employers religious tenets. That's cool.
                      The problem is the government forcing them to buy a service that goes against their religion.
                      Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                      It's a private company. Barry has no business dictating anything in their health plan, regardless of what it is. At some point, employer's will just cancel all employee coverage and send them to Barry-Care site for all their health needs. But hey, at least they can get a free rubber.
                      Yeah, while I agree with the effect of the ruling, I wish they could've ruled more along these lines than religion.
                      Originally posted by asphaltjunkie View Post
                      The only reason I am for the contraceptive mandate is because I'm all for the babymakers on the gov't teat to be able to go get some form of protection to keep them from popping out more kids they can't care for that we pay for. I'd rather have to pay for condoms for the rest of their life than their 8 chilrens who probably won't grow up to be quality members of society.

                      It's a double edged sword. Can't tell em not to fuck, can't tell em to use protection. All that can be done is offer it to them, and HOPE like hell that they take advantage of it.
                      Planned Parenthood? Local health office?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nash B. View Post
                        The problem is the government forcing them to buy a service that goes against their religion.
                        A lot of insurance plans cover at least part of sterilization procedures which is exactly the same thing as contraceptives (albeit a bit more permanent), and just as against their religion. I think they're just bitching because it's Obama, not necessarily an unwarranted complaint, but I think they're just using this as a pedestal.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nash B. View Post
                          The problem is the government forcing them to buy a service that goes against their religion.
                          Can you, or anyone else, show me a religion that states they cannot provide insurance that covers contraceptives?

                          I'd also like to note that there are medical reasons for taking contraceptives. My wife has to take them, even after I got snipped, due to the fact they manage her hormonal levels before, during and after her period and are much cheaper than the alternative progesterone pills.

                          While I admit I don't have percentages, I've known many women who use contraceptives, in the form of birth control that the ACA is requiring coverage for, to control/manage several conditions regardless of their sexual activity.

                          Originally posted by Nash B.
                          Yeah, while I agree with the effect of the ruling, I wish they could've ruled more along these lines than religion.

                          Planned Parenthood? Local health office?
                          While I don't believe this should get a religious exemption, I agree with you on these two points.
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                          • #14
                            Madd, the only problem with sending people to planned parenthood is that "conservatives" are trying to shut the organization down.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                              A lot of insurance plans cover at least part of sterilization procedures which is exactly the same thing as contraceptives (albeit a bit more permanent), and just as against their religion.
                              Prior to Obamacare, were they required to offer plans that cover sterilization?
                              Originally posted by Maddhattter View Post
                              Can you, or anyone else, show me a religion that states they cannot provide insurance that covers contraceptives?
                              http://www.catholic.com/tracts/birth-control
                              Contraception is wrong because it’s a deliberate violation of the design God built into the human race, often referred to as "natural law."
                              If contraception is wrong, providing contraceptives is wrong.
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