Texas open carry demonstration nearly causes riot

[mikec]

<----three percenter

[Cooter]

open carry should be legal so that I can saunter around with a couple 6" 44mag hog legs shining in the sun

[sc281]

open carry should be legal so that I can saunter around with a couple 6" 44mag hog legs shining in the sun

It's the only way to go. Why have one when two is twice as cool?

[David]

open carry should be legal so that I can saunter around with a couple 6" 44mag hog legs shining in the sun

That's my main reason. Let it hang real low from the hip also.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I was looking for cases where the would be criminal was deterred by someone open carrying, but apparently they dont tell anyone when that happens. Who would have thunk it?

[YALE]

open carry should be legal so that I can saunter around with a couple 6" 44mag hog legs shining in the sun

Fuckin' Snake Plissken up in this mother bitch.

[CJ]

Evidence?

Two can play the google game...

http://www.examiner.com/article/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...armed-citizens

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/138894094.html


We can go all day to find examples that back up eachothers arguments.

I asked you why your choice to not open carry shoukd be forced upon me and others? If it's so bad, then why does every state that borders us have it in some form or fashion? In fact, why do 45 states allow it in some form or fashion?



Which one do you think is more likely to get hit up by a criminal, an open carrier or someone who isn't carrying?
If he had the choice, which he does, he'd go for the one with no obvious defense against him 99 times out of 100.

Some faq's

1 But what if the victim is actually cc'ing?
2 But with concealed carry the bad guys don't know who is carrying and that makes the scared.

Answer


584k chls in texas

http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm

3% of the population. So for alllll our texan gun love, only 3% of us can carry. 3% chance, at most, of a robber getting shot by a chl holder when robbing. That's assuming that
everyone that can carry DOES carry 100% of the time, which we know is true , especially during the 100 degree summer
Can get to his cc quickly enough from its concealed position
Is proficient enough with his compromise of a firearm to get the job done.

Heck, That's better odds of survival for the criminal than if he ran the redlight on the way to the robbery.

A psychological threat is only effective if there is a reasonable chance that the threat will be followed through on. A mugger has likely mugged dozens of people before ever seeing a gun other than his own. For this guy, the criminal, it would be reasonable to assume he'd be affected by normalcy bias just like you and I, that since it hasn't happened yet, he'd probably assume consciously or unconsciously, that it won't happen this time.

When this happens, that psychological deterrent we are banking on ends up being little deterrent at all.


I'd rather bet on the 90+% chance that a robber will pass me by than bet on the feeling that since 3% carry concealed, that it is enough to deter criminals and give everyone some sort of herd immunity. (Being facetious there, but you get the point.


Since we've established that no carry is more dangerous to your health than open carry, and based on the numbers, concealed carry isn't as big a detterent as it's touted to be, i ask again.

Why should we be denied the choice to open carry, thereby increasing the chance of deterring a criminal from doing harm to us, when so many other states, less free ones I might add, have that choice?



It's done okay for 9/10 of the rest of the country. It's not a zero sum game here. It's not like we are taking away cc to have oc. I'm not seeing much of a downside.

In this first link you posted this is what was said:

"The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave."

Which is the point I made earlier. It will either cause the crime not to take place, the person to be shot who is carrying, or they will wait until that person leaves. The fact he was open carrying would not have changed the outcome to the situation for the people in the Waffle House. It would however have changed the outcome for the two people open carrying.

As for the proactive deterrent, I can see what you're saying now. However, it seems just as much of a liability for someone hell bent on killing. You will certainly be the first and the biggest target in the room. You can't help anyone if you're the first one killed, never even saw it coming. I do not like that aspect of open carry.

[Cooter]

There were like six younger looking guys walking down the main drag on Alvin with AR15's slung over their shoulders one afternoon and nobody paid any attention to them. Good times

[Rick Modena]

Fuckin' Snake Plissken up in this mother bitch.

lmao!

[sc281]

In this first link you posted this is what was said:



Which is the point I made earlier. It will either cause the crime not to take place, the person to be shot who is carrying, or they will wait until that person leaves. The fact he was open carrying would not have changed the outcome to the situation for the people in the Waffle House. It would however have changed the outcome for the two people open carrying.

As for the proactive deterrent, I can see what you're saying now. However, it seems just as much of a liability for someone hell bent on killing. You will certainly be the first and the biggest target in the room. You can't help anyone if you're the first one killed, never even saw it coming. I do not like that aspect of open carry.

I totally get where you are coming from, and I understand it. It's a risk, an unnecessary one as far as you are concerned, and that's okay. I just see it as more of a risk not to.

I'm under no illusions that I'm a badass or anything. Quite the opposite. I want that in your face deterrent because I know there is VERY little chance of a criminal of even average intelligence giving me a chance to pull my gun from its concealed holster in time to mitigate whatever attack he's doing. He has both first mover advantage and surprise on his side. If he's any good at all he's just incapacitated me and now has my cc.... and possibly my anal virginity. Lol

The overt deterrent would have a better chance of making all but the fearless or insane look for easier prey, and the fearless and insane would have attacked whether I was carrying or not.

In your scenario, you're prolly right and I'd be shot. I just weigh the risks, and I'm far more likely to be target of the guy looking for an easy mark in a parking lot than I am a mass murder looking to take out a bunch of people or store takeover or something. Planning for the normal and all that...

[CJ]

I was looking for cases where the would be criminal was deterred by someone open carrying, but apparently they dont tell anyone when that happens. Who would have thunk it?

Sc281 posted one above.