Here we go again: Deputies shoot, kill 13 year old with toy gun

[2011GT]

That's the reason I wont even let my son play outside of my fenced back yard with his airsoft guns.

Pretty sad we even have to worry about this. I spent most of my childhood playing guns etc with the neighborhood kids. Heck we used to walk down to the other end of the neighborhood with air rifles on our way to Audobon park and Duck Creek to go shoot bottles and junk.

Cops weren't pussies than

[blownaltered]

That's the reason I wont even let my son play outside of my fenced back yard with his airsoft guns.

Pretty sad we even have to worry about this. I spent most of my childhood playing guns etc with the neighborhood kids. Heck we used to walk down to the other end of the neighborhood with air rifles on our way to Audobon park and Duck Creek to go shoot bottles and junk.

I do not recall toy guns looking as real as they do now days. The AK airsoft guns even strip down like a real AK. Now I don't know the specifics of this case but if it was dark I could see how the cops thought it was real.

[JamisonFRC]

Cops weren't pussies than

Did you mean "then"?

Or maybe "kids" were not walking into their own schools and killing their fellow students. So to not be a "pussy" they should have wrestled the kid, holding what the officers thought was a real AK, to the ground to disarm him? Or maybe asked pretty please.

It's a damn tragedy that a teen was killed. No question. The picture I've seen floating around looks real enough. I'm sorry, but if someone points it at me I'm protecting myself. I'm not saying that's what happened. I've heard conflicting stories.

I don't know how I would live with myself if I was ever in that situation. I've been about as close as I ever want to be. It involved a 15-16 year old and an air soft desert eagle.

[Forever_frost]

I don't know how I would live with myself if I was ever in that situation. I've been about as close as I ever want to be. It involved a 15-16 year old and an air soft desert eagle.

You'd be amazed at what you can live with.

[racrguy]

Did you mean "then"?

Or maybe "kids" were not walking into their own schools and killing their fellow students. So to not be a "pussy" they should have wrestled the kid, holding what the officers thought was a real AK, to the ground to disarm him? Or maybe asked pretty please.

It's a damn tragedy that a teen was killed. No question. The picture I've seen floating around looks real enough. I'm sorry, but if someone points it at me I'm protecting myself. I'm not saying that's what happened. I've heard conflicting stories.

I don't know how I would live with myself if I was ever in that situation. I've been about as close as I ever want to be. It involved a 15-16 year old and an air soft desert eagle.

The earliest report I have seen of a student shooting another student out of malice is April 24, 1890. There were student-student shootings prior to that, but they were accidents, a lot of parent-teacher shootings though. Care to try another argument?

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&cl=search&d=DAC18900425.2.68&srpos=1&e=23-04-1890-27-04-1890--en--20-DAC-1--txt-IN-brubach----#

[Denny]

The earliest report I have seen of a student shooting another student out of malice is April 24, 1890. There were student-student shootings prior to that, but they were accidents, a lot of parent-teacher shootings though. Care to try another argument?

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d...N-brubach----#

Notice how it escalates with the growth in gun control?

[JamisonFRC]

The earliest report I have seen of a student shooting another student out of malice is April 24, 1890. There were student-student shootings prior to that, but they were accidents, a lot of parent-teacher shootings though. Care to try another argument?

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d...N-brubach----#

You are absolutely correct, the number of student involved shootings has remained steady throughout time. And they have certainly garnered the same amount of media attention as well. You really got me there.

[racrguy]

Notice how it escalates with the growth in gun control?

I haven't put the data together regarding gun laws, but I have based on population.

School shootings per year, years with no shootings are not represented, but there has been a shooting every year since 1990. The data includes ALL shootings a a school of any sorts, student on student, suicide, staff on staff. All shootings.



School shootings per 100,000.

1960's .00788
1970's .00929
1980's .00967
1990's .01209
2000's .01298
2010's .01464 (estimated population of 314 million.)

Data from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

You are absolutely correct, the number of student involved shootings has remained steady throughout time. And they have certainly garnered the same amount of media attention as well. You really got me there.

Care to move the goalpost some more? Your statement was based on the premise that school shootings are a new phenomenon. You were wrong. If it's not what you meant to say then you should be more clear with your statements.

[stevo]

ROFL @ using school shooting data from 1764.....

Stevo

[Broncojohnny]

I haven't seen anything that says he pointed the fake gun at the deputies. And only one of the deputies fired. This is going to get real interesting.

[CJ]

I haven't put the data together regarding gun laws, but I have based on population.

School shootings per year, years with no shootings are not represented, but there has been a shooting every year since 1990. The data includes ALL shootings a a school of any sorts, student on student, suicide, staff on staff. All shootings.



School shootings per 100,000.

1960's .00788
1970's .00929
1980's .00967
1990's .01209
2000's .01298
2010's .01464 (estimated population of 314 million.)

Data from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States



Care to move the goalpost some more? Your statement was based on the premise that school shootings are a new phenomenon. You were wrong. If it's not what you meant to say then you should be more clear with your statements.

It seems quite clear the recent sudden jump is an anomaly in the data. It will return back again.

[Probie]

Did you mean "then"?

Or maybe "kids" were not walking into their own schools and killing their fellow students. So to not be a "pussy" they should have wrestled the kid, holding what the officers thought was a real AK, to the ground to disarm him? Or maybe asked pretty please.

It's a damn tragedy that a teen was killed. No question. The picture I've seen floating around looks real enough. I'm sorry, but if someone points it at me I'm protecting myself. I'm not saying that's what happened. I've heard conflicting stories.

I don't know how I would live with myself if I was ever in that situation. I've been about as close as I ever want to be. It involved a 15-16 year old and an air soft desert eagle.

Chances are if a 15 year old kid is holding a Desert Eagle, It's most likely fake. Or it's real and he has never shot one before so he will only get one shot off before he drops it or it jams.

[JamisonFRC]

Cool story. I'll let you leave your life to chance. By 15 I had shot numerous guns... shotguns, deer rifles, pistols, revolvers. I knew how to use them. Quite the assumption that a 15 year old doesn't know how to use a weapon.

[blownaltered]

Chances are if a 15 year old kid is holding a Desert Eagle, It's most likely fake. Or it's real and he has never shot one before so he will only get one shot off before he drops it or it jams.

Now what if he doesn't miss, now your brains are laying on the ground behind you. I'm sorry I don't care how old the kid is, if he is holding a gun he can kill you.

[Denny]

I carry around air soft pistols with me, just in case of a bad shoot. They make better/ cheaper plants than Llamas and Hi-Points.