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and there is an agreement....Repubilcans caved and there is only one stipulation on Obamacare that is incomes must be verified before getting a subsidy. There is no making Congress abide by our laws, no waiver for another year, etc...
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It surely wouldn't be his first.Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
Oh, and fuck 96% of the senate."It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."Comment
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Ahhhh... didnt see that. The picture had Boner's dumbass smiling ear to ear.Originally posted by slow99 View PostComment
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If Boehner had any balls, he'd be like, "Ya, Mitch, that's nice, but the HOUSE determines the money.""Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul HarveyComment
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Boehner hasn't wanted this fight to begin with. He is looking at any way to end it and go about his partying with the D'sI wear a Fez. Fez-es are coolComment
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Buy the rumor sell the news!!!! Debt deal approvedComment
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yay raise the debt ceiling some moreComment
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And that, folks, is how you simultaneously display cowardice, a lack of integrity, and staggering obtuseness while kicking the can down the road.
All of the "yay"s should go home, and do the right thing by suck starting a shotgun.
Disgusting."It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."Comment
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Honestly, none of you want to see a world without government spending. It is the driving force of our economy. There is no such thing as a debt ceiling for the Federal Government. This is nothing but posturing. Believe it or not, these asshats got some of the American public behind them in their drive to stand their ground through all of this, when there was really never anything in the first place.Comment
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goverment spending is good.Originally posted by Denny View Post
Goverment spending just cuz it has an unlimited credit limit. not so good.
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C+I+G+(X-M)
A hard number on a debt limit is fucking idiotic in the first place.Originally posted by davbrucasComment
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Actually, some of us would like to see a government that spends less than it takes in AND is restricted to constitutional requirements only.Originally posted by Denny View Post
In other news:
Senate Debt Deal Weakens Congress on Debt Ceiling
by KERRY PICKET 16 Oct 2013, 4:13 PM PDT POST A COMMENT
Capitol Hill talk regarding the Senate deal apparently includes a provision that would take away the Congress’ power to increase the debt ceiling. According to Politico, it looks like the buzz appears to be true.:
The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject a debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.
National Journal reported last week:
Whether it's four weeks from now or in one year, there'd be even less reason to put faith in a last-minute deal next time the U.S. is up against the debt limit.
There's only one foolproof way to avoid a future crisis: Fundamentally change the way the debt ceiling works.
This approach isn't all that radical. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., proposed a reform in January that would change the debt-ceiling mechanism so that Congress would vote to disapprove of an increase, as opposed to approving one. Such a change would limit debt-ceiling negotiations to a veto-proof majority, while still leaving Congress with some power.
The most interesting part of this proposal? It was originally floated in 2011 by Republican leader Sen. Mitch McConnell. The potential for a bipartisan deal here that fixes the debt-limit problem is real. Sen. Boxer continues to advocate for the change. Right now though, Harry Reid's office says the senator is not considering any disapproval mechanism. But that could change as this process moves on.
Such a plan would be obviously good for Democrats, as they can get the immediate gratification of not having to risk default in order to fully implement the Affordable Care Act. But it'd be good for Republicans too, who could not only avoid the stigma of blame for a default, but also presumably reap the ruling-party rewards in future Congresses and presidencies. It would also put an immediate political target on President Obama, and Democrats by association, for being the sole entity responsible for raising the debt limit by over a trillion dollars. That opportunity has got to sound pretty good to Republicans ahead of 2014.
Additionally, New York Magazine remarked, the provision would "defang the debt ceiling, returning it to its historical place as an opportunity for ineffectual posturing rather than extortion." However it would only apply to the next debt ceiling vote. The debt limit can only currently be increased if Congress affirmatively votes to raise it and the president signs it into law. During Congress' last debt limit debate in 2011, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R - KY) wanted to invert this process by making it automatic, unless Congress voted against it and the president did not veto it. Theoretically, Congress could override a veto, but given the current makeup of both chambers that would be nearly impossible.I wear a Fez. Fez-es are coolComment
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