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    Secretary of State John Kerry plans to sign a controversial U.N. treaty on arms regulation on Wednesday, a senior State Department official told Fox News -- despite warnings from lawmakers that the Senate will not ratify the agreement.

    A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

    "The treaty builds on decades of cooperative efforts to stem the international, illegal, and illicit trade in conventional weapons that benefits terrorists and rogue agents," the official said.

    U.S. lawmakers, though, have long claimed that the treaty could lead to new gun control measures. Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., one of the most vocal opponents of the treaty, sent a letter to Kerry declaring it "dead in the water," since a majority of senators has gone on record against the agreement.

    "The administration is wasting precious time trying to sign away our laws to the global community and unelected U.N. bureaucrats," he wrote.

    Kerry, who is in New York attending the U.N. General Assembly session, announced earlier this year that the administration planned to sign the treaty.

    The treaty would require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and components and to regulate arms brokers, but it will not explicitly control the domestic use of weapons in any country.

    Still, gun-rights supporters on Capitol Hill warn the treaty could be used as the basis for additional gun regulations inside the U.S. and have threatened not to ratify.

    Over the summer, 130 members of Congress signed a letter to President Obama and Kerry urging them to reject the measure for this and other reasons.

    The chance of adoption by the U.S. is slim. A two-thirds majority would be needed in the Senate to ratify.

    What impact the treaty will have in curbing the estimated $60 billion global arms trade remains to be seen. The U.N. treaty will take effect after 50 countries ratify it, and a lot will depend on which ones ratify and which ones don't, and how stringently it is implemented.

    The Control Arms Coalition, which includes hundreds of non-governmental organizations in more than 100 countries that promoted an Arms Trade Treaty, has said it expects many of the world's top arms exporters -- including Britain, Germany and France -- to sign alongside emerging exporters such as Brazil and Mexico. It said the United States is expected to sign later this year.

    The coalition notes that more than 500,000 people are killed by armed violence every year and predicted that "history will be made" when many U.N. members sign the treaty, which it says is designed "to protect millions living in daily fear of armed violence and at risk of rape, assault, displacement and death."

    Many violence-wracked countries, including Congo and South Sudan, are also expected to sign. The coalition said their signature -- and ratification -- will make it more difficult for illicit arms to cross borders.

    The treaty covers battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, missiles and missile launchers, and small arms and light weapons.

    It prohibits states that ratify it from transferring conventional weapons if they violate arms embargoes or if they promote acts of genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes. The treaty also prohibits the export of conventional arms if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals.

    In addition, the treaty requires countries to take measures to prevent the diversion of conventional weapons to the illicit market. This is among the provisions that gun-rights supporters in Congress are concerned about.

    Fox News' Nicole Busch and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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  • #2
    This is a non-issue. Who gives a fuck if Kerry signs it, it's only as good as toilet paper is.

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    • #3
      "The treaty builds on decades of cooperative efforts to stem the international, illegal, and illicit trade in conventional weapons that benefits terrorists and rogue agents," the official said.
      Hmm. I guess they forgot about their OWN dealings in the illegal weapons trade, huh.

      "ATF’s Fast and Furious scandal
      A federal operation dubbed Fast and Furious allowed weapons from the U.S. to pass into the hands of suspected gun smugglers so the arms could be traced to the higher echelons of Mexican drug cartels. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the operation, has lost track of hundreds of firearms, many of which have been linked to crimes, including the fatal shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.
      "
      When the government pays, the government controls.

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      • #4
        Has to be ratified. Won't be ratified. Kerry is a piece of shit either way.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
          Has to be ratified. Won't be ratified. Kerry is a piece of shit either way.
          True, but if Obama signs it, it has an indefinite clause in it, meaning ANY Congress at ANY time can ratify it. Meaning, we just have to have a Democrat majority sometime in the future and *boom*, it can be ratified.
          "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
            The treaty would require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and components and to regulate arms brokers, but it will not explicitly control the domestic use of weapons in any country.

            It prohibits states that ratify it from transferring conventional weapons if they violate arms embargoes or if they promote acts of genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes. The treaty also prohibits the export of conventional arms if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals.
            So basically if it does pass it won't effect anyone here in the slightest, unless of course you own a company that exports ordnance to warlords.
            Originally posted by lincolnboy
            After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
              So basically if it does pass it won't effect anyone here in the slightest, unless of course you own a company that exports ordnance to warlords.
              Are you fucking serious?! Great, there goes my fucking side job.
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              "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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              • #8
                Why on earth do people think that signing a piece of paper magically will stop rape, genocide, murder, etc?

                Illegal arms trades are illegal. This does nothing...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IHaveAMustang View Post
                  Why on earth do people think that signing a piece of paper magically will stop rape, genocide, murder, etc?

                  Illegal arms trades are illegal. This does nothing...
                  Damn near every UN resolution is a touchy-feely bullshit document. If one permanent member of the security council vetos something, just one, it is invalid and goes away. This is why the UN is a fucking joke.
                  Originally posted by lincolnboy
                  After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by IHaveAMustang View Post
                    Why on earth do people think that signing a piece of paper magically will stop rape, genocide, murder, etc?

                    Illegal arms trades are illegal. This does nothing...
                    Because people are stupid.

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                    • #11
                      I like that every time the Secretary of State might sign this, it ruffles someone's feathers on this board, even when it says in the very article they reference that the Senate won't pass it.
                      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                        So basically if it does pass it won't effect anyone here in the slightest, unless of course you own a company that exports ordnance to warlords.
                        Read the other thread about how a law from the 1800s about dead horses is being used to justify regulation today.
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                        • #13
                          I just hate the UN. If we left that useless organization they would pretty much loose all their funding. Get their HQ off of fucking US Soil too please.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 46Tbird View Post
                            Hmm. I guess they forgot about their OWN dealings in the illegal weapons trade, huh.

                            "ATF’s Fast and Furious scandal
                            A federal operation dubbed Fast and Furious allowed weapons from the U.S. to pass into the hands of suspected gun smugglers so the arms could be traced to the higher echelons of Mexican drug cartels. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the operation, has lost track of hundreds of firearms, many of which have been linked to crimes, including the fatal shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.
                            "
                            Don't forget that little incident in Benghazi.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Downs View Post
                              I just hate the UN. If we left that useless organization they would pretty much loose all their funding. Get their HQ off of fucking US Soil too please.
                              No doubt. Most of the countries in it are ruled by despots, dictators and tyrants. Countries that are the worst violators of human rights are in charge of the human rights department? Ya...
                              "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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