What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria

[mstng86]

just wait a minute....there was a state of the union address this week?

[jayjohnson600]

The amount of his bungling in the middle east is astonishing, and his list of bungles continues to grow!
Even going on TV to spin against his own statements!

Why is he more eager to step into Syria's civil war, than he was to true-up and respond to the attack of a US embassy and the assassination of a US diplomat in Bengazi ?

[samuel642000]

Why is he more eager to step into Syria's civil war, than he was to true-up and respond to the attack of a US embassy and the assassination of a US diplomat in Bengazi ?

This is what enrages me about the whole thing.

[sc281]

Assad: We’ll start handing over our chemical weapons when the U.S. stops arming Syria’s rebels

I … don’t remember this being part of the offer.

Obama had better run it past Putin right away to see how he wants the U.S. to respond.

Syria will fulfil an initiative to hand over its chemical weapons only when the United States stops threatening to strike Syria, RIA news agency quoted President Bashar al-Assad as saying in a television interview…

“When we see the United States really wants stability in our region and stops threatening, striving to attack, and also ceases arms deliveries to terrorists, then we will believe that the necessary processes can be finalized,” he was quoted as saying in an interview with Russian state television.

He said that in an interview with Russian state television, naturally. Putin told reporters on Monday that the White House must withdraw its threat of an attack on Syria as a precondition to launching the big face-saving weapons inspections charade at the UN but, unless I missed it, said nothing about the rebels. Now here’s Assad upping the ante on the same day that U.S. papers are announcing that American weapons shipments to the rebels have begun. There’s no way Obama will agree to it, needless to say. He accepted the UN deal because it preserved more of his credibility than a landslide defeat in Congress would have, but the more Putin humiliates him and the more demands are placed by Russian and Syrian on the U.S. to preemptively neuter its military options, the more O’s credibility calculus will change. At some point here, continuing this pattycake session with the Kremlin and their degenerate client in Syria will cost him more political capital than simply going ahead and bombing will.

That makes me wonder what the angle is to what Assad said here. Obviously he wants to drag out negotiations at the UN, but the U.S. isn’t going to haggle over a demand that they withdraw completely from the battlefield in Syria. If Assad insists on it, negotiations will collapse quickly and then we’re back to the bombing scenario. Maybe this is more of a rhetorical play to get western media to pay extra attention to the rebels and their relationship with the U.S. If Assad can make this a key point of debate at the UN, he can do damage to the White House even if he’s prepared to eventually drop the demand. The media is filled with stories lately about how radical the rebels are: Mike McCaul said just yesterday that at least 50 percent of them are “bad guys” and Mother Jones is out with a piece this morning exploring how lax the controls are among the “moderate” rebels in keeping U.S. aid away from jihadis. Then there’s this, via the Daily Caller, from an expert who spent time with the rebels in Syria:

“The ‘moderate’ force which we are told about supposedly consists of those rebel brigades aligned with the Supreme Military Command, of Major-General Salim Edriss,” he continued. ”Most of the units aligned with the SMC actually come from a 20-unit strong bloc called the Syrian Islamic Liberation Front. This includes some powerful brigades, such as Liwa al-Islam in the Damascus area, Liwa al Farouq and Liwa al Tawhid. These and the overwhelming majority of the units aligned with the SMC are Islamist formations, who adhere to a Muslim Brotherhood-type outlook.”…

“I spent some time with the Tawhid Brigade in Aleppo city at the height of the fighting there,” Spyer said. ” I interviewed one of the leaders of the brigade. I’ve been in the Middle East for a long time and have worked on these issues for a long time. This was an Islamist fighting force, adhering to an Islamist ideology. So even those forces nominally aligned with western supported bodies are themselves overwhelmingly Islamist in outlook (there may be a very small and marginal number of forces who are ostensibly secular, but these are of no military significance). It’s my contention that the real power in the rebellion lies not in the external structures, but among the commanders of the major fighting groups. These men are Islamists.”

Having Russia and Syria make a big stink at the UN about the rebels being “terrorists” who shouldn’t be supplied with arms will spur more coverage like that, which will drive support in the U.S. for intervening in Syria even lower. That doesn’t mean the White House will agree to shut the weapons pipeline to Assad’s enemies — at this point, simple credibility demands that it stay open — but it can make life even tougher for O.

By the way, in some precincts of the Obama-admiring media today, the Russian denouement is being treated as a big win. No foolin’.

[jones4stangs]

I'd also like to hear ONE thing, that he has ever taken responsibility for. It's been how many years, and he is still blaming Bush?



Libya, Benghazi, Egypt, blah blah blah. Tell us one thing he has publicly accepted the blame for since he entered office?

Concerning Benghazi
"I am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there because these are my folks, and I'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home," Obama said during a debate with Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney in New York.

Concerning BP spill
"The culture had not fully changed in MMS" -- the agency that polices oil drilling -- "and absolutely I take responsibility for that," he said. "There wasn't sufficient urgency."

Concerning AIG bonues
"Washington is all in a tizzy and everybody is pointing fingers at each other and saying it's their fault, the Democrats' fault, the Republicans' fault," he said at a town hall meeting Wednesday. "Listen, I'll take responsibility. I'm the President."

He also make clear that it isn't really his fault. "We didn't grant these contracts," he said.

But he added: "So for everybody in Washington who's busy scrambling, trying to figure out how to blame somebody else, just go ahead and talk to me, because it's my job to make sure that we fix these messes, even if I don't make them."

2009 Economy
"I love these folks who helped get us in this mess. And then suddenly say, 'Oh, this is Obama's economy.' That's fine. Give it to me. My job is to solve problems -- not to stand on the sidelines and carp and gripe. So I welcome the job. I want the responsibility."

2010 Election
"Over the last two years, we've made progress but clearly too many Americans haven't felt that progress yet. They told us that yesterday," he said. "As president, I take responsibility for that."

[bcoop]

Concerning Benghazi
"I am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there because these are my folks, and I'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home," Obama said during a debate with Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney in New York.

Concerning BP spill
"The culture had not fully changed in MMS" -- the agency that polices oil drilling -- "and absolutely I take responsibility for that," he said. "There wasn't sufficient urgency."

Concerning AIG bonues
"Washington is all in a tizzy and everybody is pointing fingers at each other and saying it's their fault, the Democrats' fault, the Republicans' fault," he said at a town hall meeting Wednesday. "Listen, I'll take responsibility. I'm the President."

He also make clear that it isn't really his fault. "We didn't grant these contracts," he said.

But he added: "So for everybody in Washington who's busy scrambling, trying to figure out how to blame somebody else, just go ahead and talk to me, because it's my job to make sure that we fix these messes, even if I don't make them."

2009 Economy
"I love these folks who helped get us in this mess. And then suddenly say, 'Oh, this is Obama's economy.' That's fine. Give it to me. My job is to solve problems -- not to stand on the sidelines and carp and gripe. So I welcome the job. I want the responsibility."

2010 Election
"Over the last two years, we've made progress but clearly too many Americans haven't felt that progress yet. They told us that yesterday," he said. "As president, I take responsibility for that."

Every last bit of that is empty talk. He has said recently (not in campaign mode) that Benghazi is nothing more than the right politicizing what happened. Jesus tap dancing Christ, you're one gullible bastard.

[Vertnut]

He takes "responsibility" that people haven't "felt the progress"? Read those quotes carefully and you can detect the slant/deflection.

[samuel642000]

I could go on if you like, we're still waiting for you to tell us what he hasn't lied about.

Still waiting....

[jones4stangs]

Still waiting....

Enjoy
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/
Campaign promises
Kept 241 (45%)
Broken 118 (22%)

[samuel642000]

Enjoy
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/
Campaign promises
Kept 241 (45%)
Broken 118 (22%)

Those are your arguing points? Skimming through, the promises kept, I saw items like" appoint a coordinator for..." "Release all presidential records..." Etc...

I believe his records are still sealed, might want to update that site.

[stevo]

"The purpose of this strike would be to deter Assad from using chemical weapons, to degrade his regime’s ability to use them, and to make clear to the world that we will not tolerate their use." - Obama

That quote changes daily. Shall I post the previous and latter versions of it for you?

Stevo

[Trip McNeely]

Jones4Stangs = Willie Bum Bum v2.0?

[Tx Redneck]

[helosailor]

[Chas_svo]

Needs translation?