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    A Plea for Caution From Russia
    What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
    By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN
    Published: September 11, 2013

    MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.
    Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

    The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

    No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

    The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

    Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

    Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

    From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

    No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

    It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

    But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

    No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

    The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

    We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

    A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

    I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

    If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

    My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

    Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.

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    Are we supposed to take this opinion over our President?

    Ignore that UN security can't get involved because Russia veto's everything related to Syria.

    Ignore that Syria hunted and killed government protestors before the violence started.

    Ignore that Syria is killing it's population by the thousands and displacing millions into other countries.

    Ignore that Syria is using chemical weapons in conjunction with its artillery to kill rebels, their families, and anyone associated with them.

    Oh yea, and ignore the Russian naval fleet parked outside of Syria.


    Please. Putin only objective is for UN to stand back and watch as Assad kills all his opposition and stands unopposed as the ruler of Syria.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jones4stangs View Post
      Are we supposed to take this opinion over our President?

      Ignore that UN security can't get involved because Russia veto's everything related to Syria.

      Ignore that Syria hunted and killed government protestors before the violence started.

      Ignore that Syria is killing it's population by the thousands and displacing millions into other countries.

      Ignore that Syria is using chemical weapons in conjunction with its artillery to kill rebels, their families, and anyone associated with them.

      Oh yea, and ignore the Russian naval fleet parked outside of Syria.


      Please. Putin only objective is for UN to stand back and watch as Assad kills all his opposition and stands unopposed as the ruler of Syria.


      To your first question, I trust what Putin says, I don't trust a single word that Obama says. He's done nothing but lie to the American people. Time after time after time.


      I'm still waiting on a valid reason from you, as to why you support another war, when you chastized Bush over Iraq. I said a valid reason. Your usual Obama cock gobbling, and taking everything he says as gospel, isn't valid. The majority of your own party can't even agree with him on Syria. Why do you?
      Originally posted by BradM
      But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
      Originally posted by Leah
      In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bcoop View Post
        To your first question, I trust what Putin says, I don't trust a single word that Obama says. He's done nothing but lie to the American people. Time after time after time.


        I'm still waiting on a valid reason from you, as to why you support another war, when you chastized Bush over Iraq. I said a valid reason. Your usual Obama cock gobbling, and taking everything he says as gospel, isn't valid. The majority of your own party can't even agree with him on Syria. Why do you?
        How about Putin's track record?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mach1 View Post
          How about Putin's track record?
          Better than Obama's, IMO.
          Originally posted by BradM
          But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
          Originally posted by Leah
          In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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          • #6
            I almost never participate in the political forum but i have a question..
            so a few thousand people were killing in syria and Obama wants to go to blow.

            but every DAY THOUSANDS of people are slaughtered in africa at the hands of Warlords and dictators, never mind Gas, they are chopped up with Machetes and dropped into Tires and burned alive... How come obama isnt making an attempt to stop all those violations of human rights, but is willing to go to war in syria?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by White_lightning View Post
              I almost never participate in the political forum but i have a question..
              so a few thousand people were killing in syria and Obama wants to go to blow.

              but every DAY THOUSANDS of people are slaughtered in africa at the hands of Warlords and dictators, never mind Gas, they are chopped up with Machetes and dropped into Tires and burned alive... How come obama isnt making an attempt to stop all those violations of human rights, but is willing to go to war in syria?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                To your first question, I trust what Putin says, I don't trust a single word that Obama says. He's done nothing but lie to the American people. Time after time after time.


                I'm still waiting on a valid reason from you, as to why you support another war, when you chastized Bush over Iraq. I said a valid reason. Your usual Obama cock gobbling, and taking everything he says as gospel, isn't valid. The majority of your own party can't even agree with him on Syria. Why do you?
                You've got a pretty sad view of US government and leaders. I find it hard to believe that you relate to Putin’s politics over Obamas.

                I don't support a war against Syria. I do support a strike in order to prevent a wider use of chemical weapons by Assad. I do support providing the rebels with the tools and political cover to fight back against Assad. I'm fine with the proxy war. I also recognize that most of the easy ways for the US to approach the issue are being blocked by Russia.

                And I certainly believe Putin has cosigned Assad's usage of chemical weapons.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by White_lightning View Post
                  I almost never participate in the political forum but i have a question..
                  so a few thousand people were killing in syria and Obama wants to go to blow.

                  but every DAY THOUSANDS of people are slaughtered in africa at the hands of Warlords and dictators, never mind Gas, they are chopped up with Machetes and dropped into Tires and burned alive... How come obama isnt making an attempt to stop all those violations of human rights, but is willing to go to war in syria?
                  They aren't a direct threat to Israel or Saudi Arabia. If Somalia or Eritrea were planning on invading Ethiopia we'd be fighting over there as well.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jones4stangs View Post
                    You've got a pretty sad view of US government and leaders.
                    I've got a realistic view of US Government and politics. Keep in mind, my view was formed by US Government and leaders.


                    Obama is NOT a leader. You lead from the front. He has yet to lead from the front on anything but Obamacare, which is a complete failure thus far.
                    Originally posted by BradM
                    But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                    Originally posted by Leah
                    In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah because bombing the fuck out of somebody is much better than a war. That's like punching someone in the face, and saying I don't want a fight. You better Believe the POS in office will act like he didn't start the war too.

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                      • #12
                        We need to fix us, before we try to "fix" others.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by White_lightning View Post
                          How come obama isnt making an attempt to stop all those violations of human rights, but is willing to go to war in syria?
                          "US interest"
                          What goes on in the middle east is in our interest. Oil; in all its shapes, forms, and impacts. Oil impacts reach far and wide. The loss of life of non-USA citizens and allies in and of itself is not high on the list. Regardless of how I would like it prioritized.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BP View Post
                            They aren't a direct threat to Israel or Saudi Arabia. If Somalia or Eritrea were planning on invading Ethiopia we'd be fighting over there as well.
                            Agreed. Let Nigeria get out of control and you'll see a US carrier group parked over there too.

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                            • #15
                              There are lots of hydrocarons in Africa....

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