Proving Jesus existed without the bible...

[The King]

Not explaining it again since it is you who didn't bother to read my original post carefully enough. I will add though that no one makes you read anything, and I will not be going away.

[davbrucas]

This forum is more entertaining the the BP. And LoL at the Liberal tactics used by certain individuals.

[slow06]

Not explaining it again since it is you who didn't bother to read my original post carefully enough. I will add though that no one makes you read anything, and I will not be going away.

This is your original post:

If you are going to claim the abilty to pick anything apart, the correct legal term is "hearsay". Suggest you not go into using your own words, you'll maybe look a little smarter if you go back to copying off of Google searches.

You don't make a counter point, you just point out his misspelling. What exactly did I not read carefully enough?

[The King]

First sentence. Do you have some sort of issue with it?

[jluv]

Lol @ The King. Your debate tactics crack me up.

[The King]

If only there was any debate in this thread.

[CJ5]

If there was concrete proof such a man existed, foundation of one's saving on simply this fact seems impossible. I stand open to correction.

[Jesus Christ]

Consider yourself corrected!

[God]

Smh

[UserX]

at "The King". What a joke!

[The King]

^^^^^

LOL @ "UserX" showing up late by only a month and a half!

[Chuck_Finley]

I recall reading some years ago that the U.S. (archives? smithsonian? can't remember) has in its possession an original Roman document detailing Pilate's encounter with Jesus. I don't remember everything I read on the web site about it, but to summarize Pilate mentioned that when he spoke with this man in private after the mob brought him there, he had this very odd feeling about him that something was just 'different' about this guy they wanted killed.

I'll have to try and find the web site again.

[Chuck_Finley]

So I decided to try and find the reference I remembered seeing and managed to locate the web site describing Pilate's apparent first meeting of Jesus.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

I found another site which lists a lot of Pilate's journals, including mention of Jesus...

http://members.tripod.com/~owen_eir/pilate.html

[racrguy]

You're going to have to do better than that....

[Maddhattter]

So I decided to try and find the reference I remembered seeing and managed to locate the web site describing Pilate's apparent first meeting of Jesus.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

I found another site which lists a lot of Pilate's journals, including mention of Jesus...

http://members.tripod.com/~owen_eir/pilate.html

Your first link refers to the same book your second link does, in regards to Pilate. That being said, the book being referenced ("Letters of Pontius Pilate: Written During His Governorship of Judea to His Friend Seneca in Rome") is, and was always intended to be, a work of fiction. Here's an original review of the book.

The book cites Crozier as the editor as if he represented a scholar who edited Pilate’s letters. Well, from the title, it certainly seems to indicate that Pilate wrote some letters doesn’t it? However, unbeknownst or ignored by the uncritical faithful, this book represents Crozier’s first novel, a fictionalized account of what he thought Pilate would have written.

During the first publication, no one believed this novel represented fact and reviews of the day reveal it as a work of fiction.

Crozier, a newspaper editor, went to Oxford University and retained an interest in Latin, Greek and the Bible. He wrote this novel as if it represented the actual letters of Pilate. Of course no scholar would cite this as evidence because no letters exist of Pilate to Seneca, and Seneca never mentions Jesus in any of his writings.

The belief in Pilate’s letters represents one of the more amusing fad beliefs in evidential Jesus, however, it also reveals just how myths, fakes, and fictions can leak into religious thought. Hundreds of years from now, Crozier’s fictionalized account may very well end up just as ‘reliable’ as the gospels.