Athiest, Dead On Morgue Slab, Awakes After Meeting Jesus in Heaven...

[Maddhattter]

Since your admit your stated indication could be wrong, that renders it to be only an opinion.

No, it doesn't. My admission that an indication can be wrong is axiomatic.

An indication is not an opinion, it's a tentative hypothesis that best matches the available evidence. That is not an opinion. If I said that you don't understand the evidence, that would be an opinion.

Also you are limited to only your perception of the evidence, which again leads to your opinion.

No, it doesn't. Do I have an opinion on the matter? Sure. I've not given it, as it is just an opinion.

Whether your opinion agrees with mine or not means nothing.

I agree. However, as I've presented no opinions, this is irrelevant to this conversation.

[The King]

Your conclusion that an indication exists is only your opinion. To another, there may be no such indication.

Going further, this conversation is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about testimony.

[Maddhattter]

Your conclusion that an indication exists is only your opinion. To another, there may be no such indication.

Just because someone else is not paying attention to the evidence, doesn't mean the indication is not there. Unless you can demonstrate that something else best matches the evidence, you have not supported your claim of it being an opinion.

Going further, this conversation is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about testimony.

Agreed. So what?

[The King]

Just because someone else is not paying attention to the evidence, doesn't mean the indication is not there. Unless you can demonstrate that something else best matches the evidence, you have not supported your claim of it being an opinion.

Doesn't mean the indication is there, either

Agreed. So what?

This thread is about testimony, simple as that.

[Maddhattter]

Doesn't mean the indication is there, either

The indication is there. I've even explained how it's indicated, and what some other possibilities are. You constant unsupported assertions won't change that.

This thread is about testimony, simple as that.

Again, I agree that the thread was about a testimony. So, what?

[jdgregory84]

I envision a Mickey Mouse character in a wizard hat, waving his wand and creating the stars out of fairy dust based on that learned explanation.

Sounds awfully similar to the way christians believe the universe was made.

[racrguy]

[The King]

Ym

The indication is there. I've even explained how it's indicated, and what some other possibilities are. You constant unsupported assertions won't change that.

Your opinion that any indication is there, and what that indication is, remains only that, your opinion.

Again, I agree that the thread was about a testimony. So, what?

You already said you agree. So what?

Sounds awfully similar to the way christians believe the universe was made.

How do Christians believe the universe was made?

[jdgregory84]

Ym

Your opinion that any indication is there, and what that indication is, remains only that, your opinion.



You already said you agree. So what?




How do Christians believe the universe was made?

In the beginning there was darkness. So God made light...and he liked it.

[racrguy]

In the beginning there was darkness. So God made bullshit...and he liked it.

You can say that again.

[The King]

In the beginning there was darkness. So God made light...and he liked it.

Many Christians do indeed believe that, as do many Jews. I can't speak for Muslims.

I believe it, after consideration of the evidence provided for us. You may believe otherwise, or believe nothing at all if you so choose. Free will allows that.

[talisman]

So I got bored and looked good old Ian up. lolz

http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=70;t=009488

"Ian McCormack - my pal!

First off, he's a Kiwi, so anything he says or does should be treated with rightful suspicion.

Second, his story is unverifiable in every respect. We have his word only that the story happened at all, let alone in the way he claimed it did.

Third. Jellyfish are indeed particularly nasty little blighters and kill dozens of people. Serious stings - and if he died a few times, I think we could say they were serious - almost always leave really bad scarring. Given the time frame Ian claims, the stings were "live" in his flesh for an extraordinarily long time and I would expect to see severe scars. He never shows any scars, which would have been a nice, dramatic way of making his point about the seriousness and veracity of his claims.

I suppose you could argue that god healed the flesh as well... Pity - wouldn't it have had a much better impact?

Maybe I'm wrong and someone has seen the scars? I've seen him in person and on tape and I haven't seen any.

And finally: if god were truly going to work his miracles on earth through a Kiwi bloke, wouldn't he have managed to find someone significantly less boring than Ian McCormack?"

[jasone]

Are there many testimonies from people of other beliefs having near death experiences and meeting their god/gods?

I heard that people from many faiths have stories of meeting their gods upon near death experiences. It would be interesting to find out if that was documented or not.

[racrguy]

Are there many testimonies from people of other beliefs having near death experiences and meeting their god/gods?

I heard that people from many faiths have stories of meeting their gods upon near death experiences. It would be interesting to find out if that was documented or not.

Oxygen deprivation is a motherfucker, and the human mind is highly susceptible to hallucination. Too hot? Hallucinate. Too cold? Hallucinate. The list goes on and on.

[Denny]

Oxygen deprivation is a motherfucker, and the human mind is highly susceptible to hallucination. Too hot? Hallucinate. Too cold? Hallucinate. The list goes on and on.

That's what I think about bull shit like this... Either that or just an outright attention-whoring lie.