Jewish groups urge Senate to pass gun control legislation

[Moose242]

http://www.jta.org/2013/04/11/news-opinion/united-states/jewish-groups-urge-senate-to-pass-gun-control-legislation#ixzz2biPPjLcO

WASHINGTON (JTA) – Twenty-three national Jewish organizations signed on to a letter to the U.S. Senate urging members to pass gun control legislation.

In the letter addressed to Sens. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), the majority leader, and Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the minority leader, the Jewish groups called on the Obama administration and Congress “to act quickly to prevent needless firearms deaths and injuries.”

They called for comprehensive action that would limit access to the most dangerous weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines, track all firearms, include waiting periods and background checks, provide better access to high-quality mental health care and examine the role of violence in the media.

“There is no single solution to our country’s grave problem with gun control,” said Rabbi Steve Gutow, president of Jewish Council for Public Affairs, which organized the letter-writing campaign. “And with 33 lives lost to gun violence every day, every proposal that can save lives must be considered and given a vote. Delay is not a tactic that will make anybody safe.”







I bet they wish the Jews in Europe around 1940 had plenty of firepower.

[LANTIRN]

Sounds a bit hypocritical, or really just plain stupid. You think they would have learned from the holocaust.

[Sean88gt]

Sounds a bit hypocritical, or really just plain stupid. You think they would have learned from the holocaust.

They'll get a part 2 at some point..

[line-em-up]

Maybe they know that the power that they have would be in jeopardy if TSHTF.

[Kart21]

Sounds a bit hypocritical, or really just plain stupid. You think they would have learned from the holocaust.

yep.

Gun control was the first step

A Hitler

[racrguy]

yep.

Gun control was the first step

A Hitler

Gun ownership was encouraged for German citizens at the time.

[lowthreeohz]

Funny, everyone in Israel has a gun.

[EW]

I guess they can't read /aren't aware of history.

https://www.jpfo.org

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

[Moose242]

Gun ownership was encouraged for German citizens at the time.

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.

-Heinrich Himmler

[racrguy]

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.

-Heinrich Himmler

I'm digging up some information to bolster my statement. Do you have a citation for your quote from Himmler, nowhere I've looked has it cited for verification, and wikiquote has it listed in dispute.

[mikec]

Gun ownership was encouraged for German citizens at the time.

Debatable. The fact of the matter is that firearms were defacto banned in 1919, at the beginning of Hitlers rise to power. This predated the actual "gun ban" of 1939. That said, it follows as a matter of common sense that ownership of firearms had already been decimated in the 19 year run up to the the actual gun bill. Everything that I have read indicates that the measures Hitler enacted read very similarly to Feinsteins bill, which can hardly be termed as "gun friendly".

So, while on the surface your comment can be construed as factual, it is in fact a weak assertion and open to debate, as if there are no real numbers of guns in circulation, what would it matter if they banned them or not?

http://www.policymic.com/articles/22692/hitler-gun-control-facts-u-s-pro-gun-advocates-have-more-in-common-with-hitler-than-they-think

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

[racrguy]

Debatable. The fact of the matter is that firearms were defacto banned in 1919, at the beginning of Hitlers rise to power. This predated the actual "gun ban" of 1939. That said, it follows as a matter of common sense that ownership of firearms had already been decimated in the 19 year run up to the the actual gun bill. Everything that I have read indicates that the measures Hitler enacted read very similarly to Feinsteins bill, which can hardly be termed as "gun friendly".

So, while on the surface your comment can be construed as factual, it is in fact a weak assertion and open to debate, as if there are no real numbers of guns in circulation, what would it matter if they banned them or not?

http://www.policymic.com/articles/22692/hitler-gun-control-facts-u-s-pro-gun-advocates-have-more-in-common-with-hitler-than-they-think

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop..._about_hitler/

In 1919 it was the Weimar Republic, Hitler didn't gain control of the German government until 1935, and the reason guns were regulated so heavily was because of the Treaty of Versailles. Who said anything about banning firearms? You would note in the Salon.com article it says:

“The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,”

I would also like to note, that Jews were banned from having guns earlier than the 1938 legislation because only citizens could own guns, and all Jews were declared non-citizens in 1935 with the Nuremberg Laws.

[Moose242]

I'm digging up some information to bolster my statement. Do you have a citation for your quote from Himmler, nowhere I've looked has it cited for verification, and wikiquote has it listed in dispute.

Bundesarchiv, bid 183-872707 / CC-BY-SA

[racrguy]

Bundesarchiv, bid 183-872707 / CC-BY-SA

I've found the Archives, but when you go to search it switches to fucking German!

[mikec]

In 1919 it was the Weimar Republic, Hitler didn't gain control of the German government until 1935, and the reason guns were regulated so heavily was because of the Treaty of Versailles. Who said anything about banning firearms? You would note in the Salon.com article it says:


I would also like to note, that Jews were banned from having guns earlier than the 1938 legislation because only citizens could own guns, and all Jews were declared non-citizens in 1935 with the Nuremberg Laws.

Hitler began his rise in 1919, factual no need to debate that. The topic of debate was not 'why' they were regulated, it was whether or not the current happenings are comparable to the goings on back then, then progressed to whether Hitler did or did not in fact ban guns, and the law I pointed out from 1919 was, and can still be, termed a gun ban.

Let's develop and discuss, not belabor meaningless minutia.