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  • Deep layoffs take effect in struggling NJ city

    By GEOFF MULVIHILL, Associated Press Geoff Mulvihill, Associated Press – 2 hrs 47 mins ago
    CAMDEN, N.J. – Some firefighters turned in their helmets and police officers their badges Tuesday as part of deep municipal layoffs destined to further erode the quality of life in Camden, already one of the nation's most impoverished and crime-ridden cities.

    About 335 workers, representing one-sixth of the local government work force, lost their jobs, according to Mayor Dana Redd. It was worst in the public safety departments, where nearly half the police force and close to one-third of the city's firefighters were laid off.

    Laid-off firefighters walked eight blocks together from the police union hall to Fire Department headquarters, snaking past City Hall, then lined up their helmets in front of the building, picked them back up and started to turn them in along with their other gear.

    "It's one of the worst days in the history of Camden," said Ken Chambers, president of the firefighters union.

    Redd blamed the public safety employee cuts on their unions, saying they have not been willing to make job-saving concessions or accept the reality that the state government will no longer bail out the city as it has for the past two generations.

    "Instead of protecting and serving the city, the residents of Camden, they're choosing to protect their high salaries," she said.

    The mayor said she was willing to continue negotiating with unions to try to reach cost savings that would allow the city to bring back some of the laid-off workers.

    Redd said a proposal to the rank-and-file police union, the Fraternal Order of Police, was to be voted on Wednesday. She would not say exactly what the proposal entailed or how many jobs it could save. But she said that if the unions agree to concessions, about 100 police officers and most of the firefighters could be brought back.

    Chambers said residents should not expect to be safe as the number of fire companies is reduced. He said the union will continue to meet with city officials to try to reach a deal under which some firefighters could be brought back.

    Police officers had begun turning in their badges Monday as it became clear that no last-minute deal was going to save many jobs.

    Located directly across the Delaware River from Philadelphia, Camden is rampant with open drug-dealing, prostitution and related crimes. More than half of Camden's 80,000 residents, mostly black and Hispanic, live in poverty.

    A local pastor says "the fear quotient has been raised," and a police union took out a full-page newspaper advertisement last week warning that Camden would become a "living hell" if layoffs were not averted.

    The city was the nation's second-most dangerous based on 2009 data, according to CQ Press, which compiles such rankings. Camden ranked first the previous two years. In 2009, the city had 2,380 violent crimes per 100,000 residents — more than five times the national average, the FBI said.

    The anti-crime volunteer group Guardian Angels says it will patrol Camden, as it has Newark, where there were major police layoffs in November.

    The Fire Department has already been relying on help from volunteer departments in neighboring towns. Interim Fire Chief David Yates, who retired Jan. 1, has warned that that layoffs will increase response times.
    This should be a nice vacation spot.

  • #2
    Probably one of many to come in Jersey. That state is B-R-O-K-E.

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    • #3
      The average cop probably makes over a hundred grand a year if they are paid like most New Jersey towns.

      I do like the fearmongering though. If I was the mayor I would publish their salaries in the paper and ask why they can't work for less if they care so damn much?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
        The average cop probably makes over a hundred grand a year if they are paid like most New Jersey towns.
        That is what I was wondering. There was no mention of their salary in the story.

        I would also like to know their incentives. The salaries are only part of the situation.

        Unions really are going to have to be abolished one day.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
          That is what I was wondering. There was no mention of their salary in the story.

          I would also like to know their incentives. The salaries are only part of the situation.

          Unions really are going to have to be abolished one day.
          Public employee unions should have been abolished long ago. That is because the people have no one to bargain for their best interests, all they have are politicians who will be gone long before the damage of a bad contract comes to fruition. So you have what we have here. I don't have any sympathy for anyone in this situation. And this same scenario is about to play out over and over all around this country.
          Originally posted by racrguy
          What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
          Originally posted by racrguy
          Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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          • #6
            Are the Police and Firefighters unionized in Texas?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
              Are the Police and Firefighters unionized in Texas?
              In some cities they are. They don't have the bargaining power that the northern unions have though. And because of that, they haven't driven wages to ridiculous levels yet but they will if given the chance, all it takes is time.
              Originally posted by racrguy
              What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
              Originally posted by racrguy
              Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                The average cop probably makes over a hundred grand a year if they are paid like most New Jersey towns.

                I do like the fearmongering though. If I was the mayor I would publish their salaries in the paper and ask why they can't work for less if they care so damn much?
                Probably because if they post Police/Fireman salaries, they'll have to post ALL salaries, and we can't have that. God forbid we know how much they are ALL probably overpaid. But, I suspect the high expense probably pales in comparison to their pensions.
                "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                  Probably because if they post Police/Fireman salaries, they'll have to post ALL salaries, and we can't have that. God forbid we know how much they are ALL probably overpaid. But, I suspect the high expense probably pales in comparison to their pensions.
                  You got it man. All of this is peanuts compared to the $2.5 TRILLION that is underfunded in local pensions. But really, at the end of the day what are the local governments going to do? They can't raise taxes in most places, people have had it with that shit. All they can do is default on their obligations. And if the pensioners won't take less then they can just take nothing and fire people off the roof of city hall. People have had it with federal government bailouts and even if the people were willing, the pension guaranty program run by the feds only takes private companies, not sweetheart public employee deals.
                  Originally posted by racrguy
                  What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                  Originally posted by racrguy
                  Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                  • #10
                    That sucks. Camden, NJ is one of the worst cities in America for crime. Should be interesting, that coupled with the strict laws of keeping law abiding citizens from owning guns.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Trip McNeely View Post
                      That sucks. Camden, NJ is one of the worst cities in America for crime. Should be interesting, that coupled with the strict laws of keeping law abiding citizens from owning guns.
                      It'll be like shooting fish in a barrel for the thugs. Quite literally.

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                      • #12
                        Funny what happens when you run out of other people's money. And the unions still refuse to negotiate, even with overwhelming evidence that the pot is empty. Insane.

                        I say give the unions an ultimatum. If they insist on staying the current course..... fine. Immediately shut down the police and fire departments altogether and disband the city - union/pension problem solved. It'll only take one of these cities to do that to start a domino effect.

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                        • #13
                          Hire non-union police officers and firefighters from outside. Same thing President Ronald Reagan did when the air traffic controllers union (PATCO) gave him a similar ultimatum in 1981.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The King View Post
                            Hire non-union police officers and firefighters from outside. Same thing President Ronald Reagan did when the air traffic controllers union (PATCO) gave him a similar ultimatum in 1981.
                            Ronnie fired their asses, then allowed some to get back in. He brought in military controllers until they they trained enough new ones.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The King View Post
                              Hire non-union police officers and firefighters from outside. Same thing President Ronald Reagan did when the air traffic controllers union (PATCO) gave him a similar ultimatum in 1981.
                              This is what will have to happen, in many cities there will be no other way out of the situation.
                              Originally posted by racrguy
                              What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                              Originally posted by racrguy
                              Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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