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  • BAWHAWHAWHAW - Obamacare finally screws Congress

    Oh this is just AWESOME.




    WASHINGTON — As President Obama barnstorms the country promoting his health care law, one audience very close to home is growing increasingly anxious about the financial implications of the new coverage: members of Congress and their personal staffs.

    Under a wrinkle that dates back to enactment of the law, members of Congress and thousands of their aides are required to get their coverage through new state-based markets known as insurance exchanges.

    But the law does not provide any obvious way for the federal government to continue paying its share of the premiums for the comprehensive coverage.


    If the government cannot do so, it could mean an additional expense of $5,000 a year for individuals and $11,000 for families under some of the most popular plans.

    Not surprisingly, that idea is unpopular on Capitol Hill.

    “It’s a very serious concern,” said Representative Billy Long, a Missouri Republican who said staff members were “freaked out” at the prospect of paying the full cost of insurance out of their own pockets.

    “They’re thinking about leaving government service,” said Mr. Long, noting that some staff members already lived in group houses and cramped apartments to make ends meet on Capitol Hill salaries. “They’re thinking about taking jobs other places. We have tried, and tried, and tried to get the answer on what they’re going to be paying. The Office of Personnel Management cannot tell us.”

    The personnel office arranges health insurance benefits for federal employees.

    The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service pinpointed the problem 10 days after President Obama signed the health care law in March 2010. Since then neither Congress nor the administration has addressed it.

    With the exchanges scheduled to open in just nine weeks, the Obama administration is struggling to come up with a creative interpretation of the health care law that would allow the federal government to kick in for insurance as private employers do, but so far an answer has proved elusive.

    The issue is politically charged because the White House and Congress are highly sensitive to any suggestion that lawmakers or their aides are getting special treatment under the health law. The administration is already under fire from Republicans for delaying a requirement that larger businesses offer insurance to their full-time employees.

    The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, the nation’s largest employer-sponsored health insurance program, covers more than eight million people, including government employees and their family members. It offers dozens of competing plans and has been cited as a model by members of both parties.

    In battles over the health care law in 2009-10, Republicans proposed a requirement for lawmakers and aides to join the exchanges, and Democrats accepted it.

    Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, who proposed an early version of the idea, said he wanted to make sure that “members of Congress and Congressional staff get their employer-based health insurance through the same exchanges as our constituents.”

    It has been a headache for many in Congress ever since.

    Democrats and some Republicans wish the issue would simply disappear.

    The 2010 law generally requires lawmakers and aides who work in their personal offices to get coverage through the exchanges. That implies that they would no longer receive coverage through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

    The law is silent on the question. It does not clearly authorize the government to pay premiums for federal employees who obtain insurance through the exchanges. Nor does it authorize the government to reimburse federal employees who buy health insurance on their own.

    David M. Ermer, a lawyer who has represented insurers in the federal employee program for 30 years, said, “I do not think members of Congress and their staff can get funds for coverage in the exchanges under existing law.”

    “Perhaps,” he said, “they could buy coverage on an exchange, pay for it on their own and be reimbursed later by the government. You would need a law to appropriate money for that.”

    At a Congressional hearing in April, House members pressed the administration to say what would happen to their health insurance if they went into exchanges.

    Jonathan Foley, a senior official at the United States Office of Personnel Management, deflected the questions. “That is right now a subject of regulation,” Mr. Foley said. “It would be inappropriate for me to comment.”

    Edmund D. Byrnes, a spokesman for the personnel office, echoed that statement on Monday. “Nothing has changed,” Mr. Byrnes said. “We are still working on a regulation.”

    In its work plan for the next six months, the personnel agency said it was developing a proposed rule “regarding coverage for members of Congress and Congressional staff.” The agency said it hoped to issue the proposal in October.

    That is rather late, since the exchanges are supposed to open on Oct. 1.

    The requirement to get coverage through an exchange applies to lawmakers and people who work in “the official office of a member of Congress.” Aides who work for Congressional committees and in leadership offices, like those of the speaker of the House and the majority and minority leaders of the two chambers, are apparently exempt — though neither Congress nor the administration has said for sure.

    Representative Diana DeGette, Democrat of Colorado, said the Senate was responsible for the provision requiring lawmakers and many aides to get insurance in the exchanges.

    “We had to take the Senate version of the health care bill,” Ms. DeGette said. “This is not anything we spent time talking about here in the House.”

    Another House Democrat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said, “This was a stupid provision that never should have gotten into the law.”

    In the current political climate, any effort to clear up the confusion excites suspicion. Tea Party groups say that lawmakers are seeking special treatment or an exemption from the law, an assertion flatly rejected by Democrats.

    Representative Henry A. Waxman, a California Democrat who helped write the 2010 law, said, “The federal government, as our employer, should provide the same contributions it makes to our current health plans.”

    The Office of Personnel Management could establish that policy administratively, without legislation, he said.

  • #2
    "You have to pass it to know what's in it*
    "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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    • #3
      They'll just make them exempt....

      Move along.... Nothing to see here....

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      • #4
        It cuts into their "liveable wage." I see a pay increase across the board being voted in.
        Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
          It cuts into their "liveable wage." I see a pay increase across the board being voted in.
          They already vote themselves a raise every term.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by helosailor View Post
            "You have to pass it to know what's in it*


            Like a Jeffrey at Coachella

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            • #7
              Oh, the irony.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chas_svo View Post
                Oh, the irony.
                "We'll just tax the rich!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Roscoe View Post
                  "We'll just tax the rich!"
                  Yep, because they should just pay for everything for everyone else. What we could they do but pay?




                  (Lots o' sarcasm)
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                  • #10
                    Obama is going to fix it:

                    President Barack Obama privately told Democratic senators Wednesday he is now personally involved in resolving a heated dispute over how Obamacare treats Capitol Hill aides and lawmakers, according to senators in the meeting.

                    The president’s commitment was delivered at the beginning of Obama’s remarks to Senate Democrats during a closed-door session.

                    At issue is whether Obama’s health care law allows the federal government to continue to pay part of the health insurance premiums for members of Congress and thousands of Hill aides when they are nudged onto health exchanges.

                    Currently, the government pays nearly 75 percent of these premiums. The government’s contributions are in jeopardy due to a controversial Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act, which says that by 2014, lawmakers and their staff must be covered by plans “created” by the law or “offered through an exchange.”

                    The Office of Personnel Management hasn’t said if the Federal Employee Health Benefits program can contribute premium payments toward health plans on the exchange. If the payments stop, it could cost Hill staffers thousands of extra dollars each year.

                    The uncertainty is leading to dozens of lawmakers and aides considering leaving Capitol Hill.

                    It is extraordinarily rare, to say the least, for the president of the United States to get involved in an inside-the-Beltway flap over the payment of health care premiums.


                    Yet the anger over the administration’s inability or unwillingness to resolve this issue is bipartisan and deep. The feared so-called brain drain of congressional staffers over rising health care costs has become a topic of constant conversation on Capitol Hill.
                    Party leaders in both chambers want OPM to rule that the government can continue to contribute to health insurance premiums for members and staffers. OPM, though, has so far refused to say how it will handle the provision despite months of lobbying by lawmakers.

                    The controversy has to be resolved before Oct. 1, which is when members and staffers can begin enrolling in the exchanges.

                    At Wednesday’s meeting, Obama told the Democratic senators he was working to find a solution and that the administration will soon present its plan to top lawmakers in both parties.

                    “The president is aware of it,” said Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat. “His people are working on it.”

                    Some lawmakers have privately threatened to push through a legislative fix — possibly attached to a must-pass spending bill — that would require the government to continue its contributions for health care premiums for Hill employees.

                    However, that could open a door for Obamacare opponents to try to unwind other parts of the 2010 legislation, and senior administration officials want to avoid that step or the accusation that lawmakers and Hill aides are getting any kind of special treatment.


                    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2ag3eafDn
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                    • #11
                      You would have to be pretty dense or a democrat to think that the Obamacare thing is going to be anything but a huge failure.

                      I saw an estimate this week that a family of four that makes $94K a year would have to pay $1000 a month for insurance with a sky high deductible of $6,000 a year and big copays. People will be all about getting the insurance on the exchanges until they see what the payment is.
                      Last edited by Broncojohnny; 07-31-2013, 09:22 PM.
                      Originally posted by racrguy
                      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                      Originally posted by racrguy
                      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                        You would have to be pretty dense or a democrat to think that the Obamacare thing is going to be anything but a huge failure.

                        I saw an estimate this that a family of four that makes $94K a year would have to pay $1000 a month for insurance with a sky high deductible of $6,000 a year and big copays. People will be all about getting the insurance on the exchanges until they see what the payment is.

                        No no no!! This will make it better for everyone just watch msnbc or cnn! The Messiah can't be wrong.

                        There would be no care for anyone without it! And make it ALL cheaper!!


                        ** reedit think of the children man!!!

                        Last edited by Couver; 07-31-2013, 08:42 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Couver View Post
                          No no no!! This will make it better for everyone just watch msnbc or cnn! The Messiah can't be wrong.

                          There would be no care for anyone without it!


                          ** edit think of the children man!!!

                          http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dalla...217638421.html
                          That bitch is 26? She's got some city miles on her!
                          ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by YALE View Post
                            That bitch is 26? She's got some city miles on her!
                            LMAO yeah the trade in value is not so much.

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                            • #15
                              They just made congress and their aides exempt!

                              Fucking buhch of sons of bitches! Fuck this place man.....

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