no more abortions!

[diablo rojo]

I have to agree. You have to pass a test to drive but any dipshit can have a kid. My step sister in law had 4 kids before she was 22. She is a drugged up bitch that lives off the government. She doesn't raise one of them the grandparents do and she collects all the money. One of the kids is half retarded because her mom was on drugs while pregnant. So there is an example of 4 more children being supported by our tax dollars.

If population control is your reason, let's become China. I agree that people are having kids that don't need kids. This thread isn't about a ban on abortion all together, it's about the states ruling on abortions after 20 weeks.....is it right or wrong!?

If they go to 20 weeks, they can go to adoption.

[blownaltered]

If population control is your reason, let's become China. I agree that people are having kids that don't need kids. This thread isn't about a ban on abortion all together, it's about the states ruling on abortions after 20 weeks.....is it right or wrong!?

If they go to 20 weeks, they can go to adoption.

I was using it as an example that sometimes abortion isn't a bad thing. But to answer your question I have no problem with them banning abortions past 20 weeks, I actually think that is too far along in a pregnancy to abort. I'm always torn on this subject because I honestly don't agree with abortions but at the same time can we afford to pay for all these kids to grow up on the government tit.

[Forever_frost]

You are in absolutely no place whatsoever to mention responsibility to anyone.


Heartbeat =/= alive.

If a heartbeat doesn't mean alive, explain how you're alive.

This doesn't do away with abortions, it means you can't kill the baby after 5 months. If it takes you 5 months, something is wrong with you and the regulations on having admitting privileges and being a surgical center will keep Gosnell from happening again because Houston had it's own baby butcher that is still in business

[Forever_frost]

The next step should absolutely be to make welfare limited and have it stop all together after x number of months during your life with it cutting off after y months during any single use. No more generational welfare

[big_tiger]

If you can't decide by 20 weeks, you should be aborted. This gives another thing the national media to harp on instead of bigger issues.

[racrguy]

Advances in NICU have made premature births far more survivable. 18 week fetuses have been delivered safely and grown into healthy children/adults. In fact, by 23 weeks, the survival rate is around 70%. And the NICU exists because sometimes even near full term babies can have issues.

Do you differentiate between a machine assiting in life function, or a body?

The earliest I've seen a child live from is 21 weeks 5 days, and there was a record claimed, that has happened twice. Do you have a link about your 18 week birth/survival?

That's up until the umbilical cord is cut after birth.

False.

[racrguy]

Controlling? If the woman showed some control and responsibility, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place. I love how it's about a woman's choice, but the woman doesn't want to own up to her responsibility due to her lack of making good choices early on.

And the surgical side? To get ANY OTHER minor out-patient surgery, those places have to have all the requirements that are now placed on abortion outfits, and in most cases, the abortion is much more intrusive. So if it's about woman's safety, wouldn't it make sense to have the cleanest place available AND have hospital admittance should something go wrong?



20 week fetus



And it's been proven they dream at that state.

By the way, here's a HuffPo poll...showing a majority of Americans want an abortion ban after 20 weeks:


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/1...20-weeks-5930/

Majority rules, minority rights.

[SS Junk]

False.

Oh I see where you're going, but it's wrong and makes you wrong. For a full term baby to survive the umbilical cord is necessary until birth.

[racrguy]

Coooooool straw man, bro.

[diablo rojo]

The earliest I've seen a child live from is 21 weeks 5 days, and there was a record claimed, that has happened twice. Do you have a link about your 18 week birth/survival?

My 10 year old was born premature. Her nickname was "peanut" because she could fit in the palm of your hand. I spent a lot of time in the NICU and my reference came from our doctor, so no link will be available. However, as the father of 4 children (none of which suck from the government's tit), I can tell you that by 20 weeks I had heard their heartbeats, seen their faces, and knew what sex they were.

Your argument for the sake of argument routine is tired.

[GhostTX]

Majority rules, minority rights.

Seems to me the right to life for the unspoken minority is the loudest, then.

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan

[likeitfast55]

[racrguy]

My 10 year old was born premature. Her nickname was "peanut" because she could fit in the palm of your hand. I spent a lot of time in the NICU and my reference came from our doctor, so no link will be available. However, as the father of 4 children (none of which suck from the government's tit), I can tell you that by 20 weeks I had heard their heartbeats, seen their faces, and knew what sex they were.

Your argument for the sake of argument routine is tired.

Your doctor missed out on letting the world know about a medical miracle, as such, I have no other alternative but to dismiss your claim that someone lived after being born at 18 weeks. I'm waiting for the relevance of anything you said after "however."

What makes you think this is an argument for the sake of an argument?

Seems to me the right to life for the unspoken minority is the loudest, then.

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan

A fetus, before the point of viability, does not have the right to a woman's bodily functions.

Just because some of you wouldn't think of having an abortion doesn't give you the right to tell someone else they can't have one. It's none of your business what another person does with their own body.

[Aceman85turbo]

A fetus, before the point of viability, does not have the right to a woman's bodily functions.

Where you differ is that 70% of Americans don't see a difference in a healthy 4 week baby and an unhealthy 22 year old vegan liberal arts major that works at Starbucks. They both depend on mommy to survive, both have the right to live.

[racrguy]

Where you differ is that 70% of Americans don't see a difference in a healthy 4 week baby and an unhealthy 22 year old vegan liberal arts major that works at Starbucks. They both depend on mommy to survive, both have the right to live.

Try not to be dumb. What you're doing here is attacking an argument I'm not even making.