no more abortions!

[diablo rojo]

And the new bill doesn't care if you were raped.

It shouldn't have to. How long do people need to make a decision? 4-5 months seems like an awful long time.

[diablo rojo]

Your doctor missed out on letting the world know about a medical miracle, as such, I have no other alternative but to dismiss your claim that someone lived after being born at 18 weeks. I'm waiting for the relevance of anything you said after "however."

What makes you think this is an argument for the sake of an argument?

Continue to wait. It relates solely to my opinion on this topic and why I believe a 20 week fetus is alive.

[SS Junk]

Coooooool straw man, bro.

I can understand that. Reason being is those who are not parents, do not appreciate life for what it is and are self-loathing cock suckers deem themselves the experts as to when life actually begins when it is a scientific fact life starts at conception. I do not understand why this is being argued anyway? Abortions are still legal and, as stated, if they are too stupid to make up their mind before the deadline they should be aborted as well.

[Venix]

Screw the 20 weeks, what matters now is the crazy requirements for clinics to operate under in order for a patient to take a plan B pill or another abortion pill.

For those pills to work you typically have to consume them quite a bit sooner than that 20 week period, yet now you have to spend money on hospital visits with practicing physicians so that they can watch you swallow a pill? Most people in these situation do not have insurance, and even if they did, it would not be covered, so increasing the cost will reduce the possibility.

Seems like a way to prevent people from getting the abortion all together.

[jdgregory84]

And the new bill doesn't care if you were raped.

I personally don't give a shit if people get abortions. But pulling the "what if they were raped" card is weak.

[Vertnut]

What percentage of abortions do you believe are performed that are actually a result of rape? A quick google search says 1%. I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually less than that.

Per Google (national stats) the 1% covers rape and/or incest. They can take a pill the next day, which is readily available to anyone who can walk in and ask for them, or they have 4 1/2 months to get the procedure done. Hell, even the vatican has approved the "morning after pill" for rape and incest.

[racrguy]

What percentage of abortions do you believe are performed that are actually a result of rape? A quick google search says 1%. I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually less than that.

And the new bill doesn't care if you were raped.

[jdgregory84]

So even if they get raped?

What percentage of abortions do you believe are performed that are actually a result of rape? A quick google search says 1%. I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually less than that.

[racrguy]

Where you differ is that 70% of Americans don't see a difference in a healthy 4 week baby and an unhealthy 22 year old vegan liberal arts major that works at Starbucks. They both depend on mommy to survive, both have the right to live.

Try not to be dumb. What you're doing here is attacking an argument I'm not even making.

[Aceman85turbo]

A fetus, before the point of viability, does not have the right to a woman's bodily functions.

Where you differ is that 70% of Americans don't see a difference in a healthy 4 week baby and an unhealthy 22 year old vegan liberal arts major that works at Starbucks. They both depend on mommy to survive, both have the right to live.

[racrguy]

My 10 year old was born premature. Her nickname was "peanut" because she could fit in the palm of your hand. I spent a lot of time in the NICU and my reference came from our doctor, so no link will be available. However, as the father of 4 children (none of which suck from the government's tit), I can tell you that by 20 weeks I had heard their heartbeats, seen their faces, and knew what sex they were.

Your argument for the sake of argument routine is tired.

Your doctor missed out on letting the world know about a medical miracle, as such, I have no other alternative but to dismiss your claim that someone lived after being born at 18 weeks. I'm waiting for the relevance of anything you said after "however."

What makes you think this is an argument for the sake of an argument?

Seems to me the right to life for the unspoken minority is the loudest, then.

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan

A fetus, before the point of viability, does not have the right to a woman's bodily functions.

Just because some of you wouldn't think of having an abortion doesn't give you the right to tell someone else they can't have one. It's none of your business what another person does with their own body.

[likeitfast55]

[GhostTX]

Majority rules, minority rights.

Seems to me the right to life for the unspoken minority is the loudest, then.

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan

[diablo rojo]

The earliest I've seen a child live from is 21 weeks 5 days, and there was a record claimed, that has happened twice. Do you have a link about your 18 week birth/survival?

My 10 year old was born premature. Her nickname was "peanut" because she could fit in the palm of your hand. I spent a lot of time in the NICU and my reference came from our doctor, so no link will be available. However, as the father of 4 children (none of which suck from the government's tit), I can tell you that by 20 weeks I had heard their heartbeats, seen their faces, and knew what sex they were.

Your argument for the sake of argument routine is tired.

[racrguy]

Coooooool straw man, bro.