no more abortions!

[matts5.0]

That's fascinating. Tell me more.

Do you have kids?

[Maddhattter]

So survival without an external support system is your definition? Remind me why I can't go into ICU with a DeWalt and just start drilling into skulls because they are on breathing machines, some need blood infusions (blood from external source) and then you have the dialysis wing where they need an external system to cleanse their blood or they die. Are they viable?

When you're not creating a strawman of my position, I'll be happy to continue the discussion.

You don't see the flaws in your thinking?

No. Nor have you demonstrated any.

[Forever_frost]

Not a strawman. Your hangup is that the 'fetus' is not viable and incapable of sustaining itself so therefore it is not a baby and thus, viable for abortion. Summed it up?

[racrguy]

Do you have kids?

Does it matter?

Not a strawman. Your hangup is that the 'fetus' is not viable and incapable of sustaining itself so therefore it is not a baby and thus, viable for abortion. Summed it up?

Yeah, you're building a strawman by attacking an argument he isn't making in regards to people on life support.

[Forever_frost]

Does it matter?



Yeah, you're building a strawman by attacking an argument he isn't making in regards to people on life support.

Actually, the point he's making is a fetus isn't a baby because it isn't self sustaining or viable. IF that is the measuring stick, anyone not internally sustaining you could make the argument that they are eligible for late term abortion. We're really just negotiating the time frame in which I can kill someone legally at this point.

[Maddhattter]

Not a strawman.

Yes it is.

Your hangup is that the 'fetus' is not viable and incapable of sustaining itself so therefore it is not a baby and thus, viable for abortion. Summed it up?

Actually, the point he's making is a fetus isn't a baby because it isn't self sustaining or viable. IF that is the measuring stick, anyone not internally sustaining you could make the argument that they are eligible for late term abortion. We're really just negotiating the time frame in which I can kill someone legally at this point.

Repeating a strawman does not make it any less of one.

Does it matter?

No, it doesn't. At least, it doesn't unless you're attempting to make an appeal to emotion.

[racrguy]

No, it doesn't. At least, it doesn't unless you're attempting to make an appeal to emotion.

I'm pretty sure I know what angle he's going for, let's see if it plays out how I think it will.

[matts5.0]

I'm just curious. So what do you consider life, whats the difference between life, and being alive.


I'm not 100% against abortion either! but 20 weeks, yeah, get your shit together, you had plenty of time to figure shit out or make other options.

[Maddhattter]

I'm not 100% against abortion either! but 20 weeks, yeah, get your shit together, you had plenty of time to figure shit out or make other options.

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1110604&postcount=102

[Forever_frost]

U.S. Supreme Court declines to block Texas abortion law
WASHINGTON Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:59pm EST
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(Reuters) - A split U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday declined to block implementation of a new abortion law in Texas that already has prompted a dozen clinics in the state to stop performing the procedure.

The provision requires doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the facility in case women have complications.

The four liberal members of the nine-member court objected to the decision not to block the appeals court ruling that allows the law to go into effect.

(Reporting by Lawrence Hurley; Editing by Howard Goller)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/19/us-usa-court-abortion-idUSBRE9AI1BT20131119

[Broncojohnny]

Of course they refused to stop it. This is just state regulation and the court will eventually decide if it goes too far. Why weren't any of these liberals bawling their eyes out back when you couldn't own a handgun in DC? Oh I keep forgetting that injustice only exists for pet liberal causes.

[bcoop]

I just wish conservatives would focus on shit that actually matters instead of this moral legislation bullshit.

[Forever_frost]

I just wish conservatives would focus on shit that actually matters instead of this moral legislation bullshit.

You mean on protecting the lives of children? I can think of nothing that matters more than protecting the most innocent of lives.

[lowthreeohz]

You mean on protecting the lives of children? I can think of nothing that matters more than protecting the most innocent of lives.

Fetuses. It's not a 'child' until it's born.

[GhostTX]

Fetuses. It's not a 'child' until it's born.

Texas law disagrees with you. Technically, the complex order of cells is an "individual".



On that note, it baffles me why no one has taken a "mom" and her "doctor" to court, under the law.