Gosnell case

[Forever_frost]

I think you missed my point. Or you just continued past it.

I may have missed your point. Was your point not "It's legal so get over it?" If that was your point, then I pointed out other instances where things were legal but tyrannous and absolutely wrong. I also mentioned that one of those was still legal despite it being unconstitutional and wrong.

And Racr, did you give up? I mean, how do you kill that which isn't alive? Isn't that the point of every zombie movie?

[crapstang]

That article just makes me sad.

I feel that abortion is messed up for many reasons, but it is up to the person to make that choice. It is a person's right to make a choice for the better, for the worse, or for the indifferent of their life.
You can get into the definition of life, situations, etc, but the fact that a chance at life is being taken away just kills a little bit of me inside, regardless of the situation (rape, etc). Yet again it is only the person's choice, not mine or society's. Those are just my feelings on it.

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I may have missed your point. Was your point not "It's legal so get over it?" If that was your point, then I pointed out other instances where things were legal but tyrannous and absolutely wrong. I also mentioned that one of those was still legal despite it being unconstitutional and wrong.

And Racr, did you give up? I mean, how do you kill that which isn't alive? Isn't that the point of every zombie movie?

My point was that you were using two legal definitions that contradict each other as circular logic to support the one you believe to be correct. It should be no surprise that law contradicts itself, but the cIrcular logic doesn't support your argument not to mention it's pedantic.

[futant]

Everything you said is false, you ignorant fuck. I haven't changed my stance one iota from the very beginning of the talks on the boards including now. Do some research into the things that I've said. Until the point of viability, abortions should be legal, after viability, not. Which is odd, because that's the same stance the legal system takes.

so you admit then that you really have no moral obligation to consider about what honestly is or isn't 'viable' yourself and instead would just rather have the law decide for you ?

or

are you saying the law has decided , and thus you have built your moral construct based on it ?

just curious , not trying to change your demented opinion 'one iota'

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Futant, I can tell you still haven't read up on the definition of viable in this context. It doesn't originate in law.

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I think EARLY term abortions should be ok. That shit that guy was doing there is no explination for and there is a special place in the deepest part of hell for that guy. He deserves a lifetime of torture and agony for those acts.

Bastard children or not I dont see how ANY of you can rationalize these acts because they might become a burden on taxpayers. Thats just sick.

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Who was rationalizing Gosnell's actions?

[JP135]

TheBlaze has a video on this case. I know the left-of-center crowd will go crazy when they see it's Glenn Beck. Personally I find nothing wrong with what Beck has to say. The information on this case and the fact that it is being completely ignored by the media is incredible. I think part of it is that the doctor and his patients are from the same demographic and part of it is that the people get all caught up in this 'it's a woman's body, let her make the choice' argument and ignore the facts.

I don't agree with abortion, but under circumstances where it's legal, I can't make it stop. On the other hand, having a live birth and then murdering the child, well there's a special place in Hell for those people.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/glenn-beck-exposes-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnells-house-of-horrors-in-graphic-video-segment/

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Ahem....

Who was rationalizing Gosnell's actions?

We need to stop the rutting. I don't particularly have a political stance to one side or another but who is going to pay for any raise all these unwanted children. If they are contemplating abortion you think they have the capacity and means to raise a kid?

All I know if my daughters where raped and impregnated I would want the 'right' to consider that as an option. Not sure if I could do it or even recommend it but the 'right' to choose should be there.

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Ahem....

I feel comfortable saying that's not in support of Gosnell but abortion in general instead.

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I feel comfortable saying that's not in support of Gosnell but abortion in general instead.

Ok it was kinda in a grey area for me that's why I didn't initially quote it. So i will change my post from "any of you" to anyone.

[slow06]

I’m curious. I do understand this is not the current situation, but would it not make sense that the murder and abortion rules match up like Frost was talking about? I don’t see why one would be murder and another wouldn’t.

(I don’t know what has been discussed previously, so forgive me.)

[racrguy]

I’m curious. I do understand this is not the current situation, but would it not make sense that the murder and abortion rules match up like Frost was talking about? I don’t see why one would be murder and another wouldn’t.

(I don’t know what has been discussed previously, so forgive me.)

It boils down to choice, in that instance.

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It boils down to choice, in that instance.

So in abortion the woman had choice over her own body, but in murder she did not. Interesting.

[Forever_frost]

So, if I choose to kill a newborn, that's fine because if I don't feed it, it'll die and it is incapable of surviving on it's own as long as it's my child?