As requested: Racr's thread.

[racrguy]

What created God? He just exists? So in order for the "Big Bang" to have happened, there would have needed to be a creator of such things right? By this logic how can God exist without a creator?

God doesn't have a creator, he is eternal.

[Maddhattter]

So far, all I see is a couple of Bible bashers saying that this reverse calculation of exploded parts of the universe can trace the blast back to an approximate time of explosion/implosion waaaaaay in the past to come up with the universe's birthday.

Actually, what you see is that I've pointed out that the scientific community is saying that and all the evidence supports them.

If I'm missing something, please tell me.

You've been told. You just ignore it.

If not, I'm still calling this shit you call a logical find, complete hogwash.

You can call it whatever you'd like. Doesn't change the fact that all the evidence currently supports it.

Maybe the universe is expanding. Maybe the universe is doing so as a result of some explosion. Now let me throw some variables at you to fuck up your already fucked up theory...

You can try.

In order to bring this all back to an exact moment, you're going to need the point of the explosion/ implosion. Can you point that one out.

No need. No one has claimed to know or be able to demonstrate the exact moment and the big bang model stands just fine without the claim. So, this "variable" is a non-issue.

You're also going to need to know for sure that this mass that exploded/imploded was the first and only thing in existence. Can you assure that?

This is also not required. As, based on the current model, the sigularity would have consisted of everything as we understand it.

I love how you guys try to attack my intelligence when I don't agree with what you lay down and accept.

Except, no one has attacked your intelligence.

I'm pretty sure I can science with the best of them.

Care to demonstrate it? Even a little?

I can math with the smarties.

No one said otherwise.

I just can't reason with man's assumptions.

Considering that's the starting point of all science, you can't science.

[Maddhattter]

For those of you who do not believe in God (or however you would phrase it):

If the Bible were to be proven real, and God/Jesus were to be proven real, with facts/science what then? At that point would you choose to follow what the Bible says, or would you choose to live your life the way you are now?

I'm not talking about a "christian scientist" finding proof, I know that wouldn't float with you. I'm talking about Neal deGrasse Tyson or some other scientist that you respect finding proof. Irrefutable proof to your standards, whatever that may be.

I realize you would say this will never happen, nor am I suggesting that I think it will, but give it a few minutes of though and tell me what you would do. Would you then ... "believe" in God. Would you change the way you live?

I don't know any of you personally, but I honestly get the impression you would not change the way you live. Just because God in this hypothetical case, was proven true/real, it doesn't mean that you would have to believe any of it or obey what the Bible says. You could absolutely go on about your life the same way you have.

I'm not really trying to make a point here, just asking a question.

Proven real in what way? That the events historically occurred? That magic, witches, unicorns and dragons exist?

If all of those things were proven to be true, I would accept that. I'd believe in your God, Jesus, witches, unicorns and dragons. However, the subjective portions of the bible I would still disagree with.

Regardless of what opinion the authors of the bible has, or what your god has asserted, I could never see it as a moral entity considering its behavior as described in the bible.

So, would I live my life by the rules of the bible? No.

[matts5.0]

Proven real in what way? That the events historically occurred? That magic, witches, unicorns and dragons exist?

If all of those things were proven to be true, I would accept that. I'd believe in your God, Jesus, witches, unicorns and dragons. However, the subjective portions of the bible I would still disagree with.

Regardless of what opinion the authors of the bible has, or what your god has asserted, I could never see it as a moral entity considering its behavior as described in the bible.

So, would I live my life by the rules of the bible? No.

guess you are going to hell. good luck with that!

[racrguy]

guess you are going to hell. good luck with that!

I guess you aren't going to Fólkvangr or Valhalla. Good luck with that!

[exlude]

Those of you that believe in god not out of honest faith but in order to avoid hell are just as doomed as anybody else, sorry bout your luck.

[BMCSean]

Those of you that believe in god not out of honest faith but in order to avoid hell are just as doomed as anybody else, sorry bout your luck.

Along with everybody that passes judgement on others for their beliefs.

[The King]

Those of you that believe in god not out of honest faith but in order to avoid hell are just as doomed as anybody else, sorry bout your luck.

Correct

[quikag]

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Matthew 7:23


For all the non-believers, those words will ring in your mind for eternity.

[exlude]

Probably not.

[talisman]

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Matthew 7:23


For all the non-believers, those words will ring in your mind for eternity.

Boy am I going to lose sleep worrying about that.

[racrguy]

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Matthew 7:23


For all the non-believers, those words will ring in your mind for eternity.

So, since I don't believe in god I'm an evildoer? Good to know. I knew there was a reason baby sammiches taste so good.

[idrivea4banger]

I need to quit coming in here and reading these threads. Im already on the fence in realizing that our life is meaningless and it doesn't matter because in the end we die, we're forgotten. Creating experiences/memories serve no purpose at all. I've never been a very religious person nor have a strong faith but I don't like thinking the way I am. Surely, there has to be a purpose for our existence.....I just can't believe that were just a random mistake that serves no purpose.

[racrguy]

I need to quit coming in here and reading these threads. Im already on the fence in realizing that our life is meaningless and it doesn't matter because in the end we die, we're forgotten. Creating experiences/memories serve no purpose at all. I've never been a very religious person nor have a strong faith but I don't like thinking the way I am. Surely, there has to be a purpose for our existence.....I just can't believe that were just a random mistake that serves no purpose.

Check yo PM's, nukka.

[Denny]

Those of you that believe in god not out of honest faith but in order to avoid hell are just as doomed as anybody else, sorry bout your luck.

How do you know? Are you talking with God behind our back?

Along with everybody that passes judgement on others for their beliefs.

Huh?

Check yo PM's, nukka.

Just as bad as the Jovies knocking on the door. LOL