As requested: Racr's thread.

[racrguy]

Pharoah was far from ignorant of God. He just chose to to believe in himself and his power more than God. It took several plagues and finally the death of his own son before he determined the losses were too great and let the Israelites leave. Of course, he soon forgot, and chased after them to basically lose his entire army.

Uhhhh, are you trying to pass these events off as fact, or fables from the bible?

This is my point about the Pharaoh in a nutshell. You choose to believe in yourself over God or anything else. Pharaoh also believed in himself, actually he thought of himself as a god. Very familiar to what you believe obviously. You are the master of your own domain. Good luck with that.

I don't think of myself as a god, I'm a regular person. I am the master of my domain, I make all my own choices and have to suffer the consequences of incorrect ones. You've given me no good reason to believe their is a god. It's not ignorance, it's disbelief.

Funny, so you imply here that anyone who prays doesn't think? You truly believe you are smarter than all the theologians and even those atheists who eventually came around (C.S. Lewis being a strong example) over the last several centuries?

I think I've properly applied reason, logic, and skepticism, where they have made an error somewhere.

Unfortunate for you if that's the case. I guess you're on the side that will spend eternity burning in hell since God didn't deem you one of the chosen. Of course, if it's all hogwash, you have nothing to worry about as you'll just cease to exist upon your death.

That's cool, you'll go to Fólkvangr, as it's unlikely that you will die in glorious battle or you'll end up in the Greek underworld, where everyone goes.

[quikag]

Uhhhh, are you trying to pass these events off as fact, or fables from the bible?

You were the one that didn't like my reference comparing you to Pharaoh. If it's just a story, then you can believe whatever you want about who you think Pharaoah is or isn't. Just know there is one truth and you've placed your intelligence and intellect above those who believe the Bible as the inerrant word of God.

I think I've properly applied reason, logic, and skepticism, where they have made an error somewhere.

You certainly place a lot of faith in your logical deductioning skills over some extremely intelligent people. Of course, you don't have faith, but you know what I mean.

We are in a circular discussion. You will believe what you want and nothing I say will change that. God will change your heart if He chooses.

[racrguy]

You were the one that didn't like my reference comparing you to Pharaoh. If it's just a story, then you can believe whatever you want about who you think Pharaoah is or isn't.

Your reference to the pharaoh was inferring I was ignorant of god, which I am not. You then went on with details and I was unsure if you were trying to pass it off as fact or not.

Just know there is one truth and you've placed your intelligence and intellect above those who believe the Bible as the inerrant word of God.

You are correct. However, given all the evidence or lack thereof, my stance is more likely to be true.

You certainly place a lot of faith in your logical deductioning skills over some extremely intelligent people. Of course, you don't have faith, but you know what I mean.

I know what you mean, but just because a person is smart in one area it doesn't mean they're smart in all areas. Isaac Newton, a genius by most people's account, was an alchemist. Because he was wrong about alchemy does that make him wrong about everything else he did? No, but he was wrong about alchemy.

We are in a circular discussion.

I agree. If you'd bring something new to the discussion, we could talk about it.

You will believe what you want and nothing I say will change that.

I agree with this as well. I don't care what you say, I only care what you can prove.

God will change your heart if He chooses.

Oooooooh, I like your passive aggressive style! It's almost as if you're saying "I've run out of arguments, so I'm going to leave it up to god."

[quikag]

Not passive aggressive. I just realize we are both wasting our time.

[4.6coupe]

Not passive aggressive. I just realize we are both wasting our time.

Quit "fueling the fire."

No pun intended.

[Denny]

Speak your mind and get out. These guys jerk off to God/no-God debates.

I have to pull myself away as well most of the times.

[Maddhattter]

Speak your mind and get out. These guys jerk off to God/no-God debates.

I have to pull myself away as well most of the times.

Considering you've yet to bring anything of substance to these discussions, it's been no loss.

[Denny]

Considering you've yet to bring anything of substance to these discussions, it's been no loss.

Man, that forearm must be tired by now...

[racrguy]

Man, that forearm must be tired by now...

[Maddhattter]

Man, that forearm must be tired by now...

Nope.

Not only am I capable of switching hands when needed, but there's no debate here.

Aside from you're nonsense question and 4.6coupe's bad source, this has been more of a Q&A thread. That was, after all, why it started.

[Maddhattter]

lol

You finally beat me to a punch. You happy now?

[racrguy]

lol

You finally beat me to a punch. You happy now?

Yes, now get me a motherfucking cookie, bish!

[Denny]

Nope.

Not only am I capable of switching hands when needed, but there's no debate here.

Aside from you're nonsense question and 4.6coupe's bad source, this has been more of a Q&A thread. That was, after all, why it started.

Nonsense? Yes.

(switching hands)

Do you believe that God exists? No.

Why? Because there is no proof of His existence.

Fine. Do you need proof to believe anything? Yes (Assuming so by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you maintain your consistency).

So you believe that God DOESN'T exist, based on what proof? (This is where you step in).

[racrguy]

Nonsense? Yes.

(switching hands)

Do you believe that God exists? No.

Why? Because there is no proof of His existence.

Fine. Do you need proof to believe anything? Yes (Assuming so by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you maintain your consistency).

So you believe that God DOESN'T exist, based on what proof? (This is where you step in).

You've got his stance all fucked up, it's been explained before. Just because you do not believe something to exist does not mean you believe it to not exist.

[Maddhattter]

Nonsense? Yes.

(switching hands)

It's good to know that your forearms won't get tired either.

Do you believe that God exists? No.

Why? Because there is no proof of His existence.

Fine. Do you need proof to believe anything? Yes (Assuming so by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you maintain your consistency).

That's how the conversation has gone thus far, yes.

So you believe that God DOESN'T exist, based on what proof? (This is where you step in).

This is where the problem is. This assertion is one you've attempted put in my mouth before. I'll explain now what I explained then.

I don't believe that a god/gods exist. This does not mean that I believe there is no god/gods. A god/gods could exist.

However, thus far, theism has failed to meet it's burden of proof to demonstrate that it's positive assertion(a god/gods exist). This leaves me with the only reasonable position, the default position. The default position on any topic is not believing. Once sufficient evidence has been presented to demonstrate that a god/gods exist, I will change my position.

So, as I stated previously, there is no debate. I'm not claiming, nor attempting to demonstrate, that a god/gods do not exist. Nor am I attempting to convince anyone that a god/gods do not exist.