bush & cheney

[Broncojohnny]

Hey guys did you hear? We won the war in Iraq.

[dee]

Being sent is part of the deal man. I was sent to Africa "to liberate the shit of them" and we did but I didn't want to be there either.

Iraq was a bad deal all around. On intel, some of which was partially fabricated by Iraq and the other half was filled in by SH not complying with weapons inspections and his illusive, suspicious behavior. Even SH said himself on trial that he was partially to blame because he deceit ultimately led to the Iraq invasion and us liberating the shit of them too. We spent 2 trillion and besides the most expensive embassy in the world and massive weapons and drone advancement we made it was pretty much the US trying to do the right thing by them. Should have left at Shock and Awe and SH being hanged.

Afg is different.

I am sorry for his sacrifice and that he feels this way.

SH didn't help his situation by firing at jets in the neutral zone either. His pride was his main downfall throughout the whole impending war. Now the weapons of md is an interesting subject since we knew he had some at one point but I don't feel like we ever knew exactly how much.

[Cooter]

Why join the military if you aren't prepared to risk life and limb? I never have understood some people that join. Some join for the "free college" and tried to get out when we were in a war.

Why comment if you didn't read the fucking letter?

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I think he speaks for more people than he imagines...

You sound like a pussy too.

[Vertnut]

He was featured in a documentary, "Body of War", several years ago, and has been a long time critic of the war in Iraq. Kind of a "poster boy", if you will.

I wonder how many letters like this were (and are) written by Viet Nam vets that were never published?

[Denny]

He served to allow pussies like him to whine. No biggie. Let him bitch. He earned it. Most of the other bitches bitching haven't done shit.

Bitch on, bitch.

[Chas_svo]

Great question. One I could never answer, the idea of killing civilians, women and children in a foreign land never appealed to me. Again the author says he would have no qualms if he were in Afghanistan, but he was sent to play that criminals war games in a country that had no part in the war on oil. I mean terror

This comment proves how clueless you are, cum stain.

[Denny]

I still can't believe we have people thinking Iraq was a complete waste. Some waste, yes. Some good come of it? Yes too.

Not to mention, these wars, along with the Fed's money injections and low interest rates, have saved this economy.

[KBScobravert]

I still can't believe we have people thinking Iraq was a complete waste. Some waste, yes. Some good come of it? Yes too.

Not to mention, these wars, along with the Fed's money injections and low interest rates, have saved this economy.

Improved my employment

[reo]

Personally, I feel his letter is bullshit, he makes it sound like everyone who went to Iraq hated Bush and felt the war was not needed. This is not the case. Bitching about the VA and blaming it on Bush too, give me a break. Claiming Bush doesn't care, I guess all those veteran groups he works with while trying to stay out of the public spotlight is for nothing then? I'll give this guy this much though, if you dig through it and remove the pussified liberal opportunitist blame game aside, he has a legitimate gripe. The overall strategy of the war there, it could have been done differently, possibly for the better. But we will never know for sure if it could have worked out any other way. The nation building that was done, should have been done differently and with more direction and goals. The heavy use of contractors and corporations that used the military as free labor, should not have been allowed. The VA being worthless and treating veterans like shit, doing their best to not take care of them. Other than that, all the "Fuck you Bush/Cheney" fluff isn't anything more than someone trying to politicize their crying. Also find it kind of hypocritical for him to only Blame Bush and Cheney and not the congress that agreed to go to war or the intel from everyone that said we needed to go there or any number of things that can't be solely placed on a individual.

-Eric

[naynay]

This comment proves how clueless you are, cum stain.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

111,827 - 122,306 civilian casualties since 2003.

217 in the month of march alone.

[naynay]

The key figures IBC found are:

• 14,705 (13%) of all documented civilian deaths were reported as being
directly caused by the US-led coalition. The report notes that

Of the 4,040 civilian victims of US-led coalition forces for whom age data was available, 1,201 (29%) were children


• Over half of the civilian deaths caused by US-led coalition forces
occurred during the 2003 invasion and the sieges of Fallujah in 2004.
• Of the 45,779 victims for whom IBC was able to obtain age data, 3,911 (8.54%) were children under age 18.
• Police forces have been a major target, with 9,019 deaths reported - by
far the largest toll of any professional group.
• Baghdad, which contains roughly one fifth of the country's population,
has suffered roughly half of the recorded civilian deaths, or about 2.5
times more than the national average.

This shows what happened over time; the big peak in deaths being from 2006-2008. The report notes that

On a per-day basis, the highest intensity of civilian killings over a sustained period occurred during the first three "Shock and Awe" weeks of the 2003 invasion, when civilian deaths averaged 317 per day and totalled over 6,640 by April 9th, nearly all attributable to US-led coalition-forces, reaching 7,286 by the time of President GW Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech of 1st May 2003

[reo]

Doubt the majority of those were caused by US soldiers. Sectarian violence for 500 Alex?

-Eric

Edit: And tell me their definition of civilian.

[Denny]

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

111,827 - 122,306 civilian casualties since 2003.

217 in the month of march alone.

You do know that those numbers are only estimates, right?

Either way, it wasn't a total waste of effort. Just because a soldier who probably didn't want to go in the first place is crying, doesn't necessarily reflect all the ones that served out there.

[Denny]

Most of those "civilian" deaths were probably hostile, Rodney.