What a dog-rocket of biblical proportions!!

[ceyko]

Actually, I hear tires are getting expensive for them

Generally, that's nothing in my book. Since I would not lose any sleep if their skulls were smashed into the ground and squished around. They've earned any retaliation they receive in my book.

[Forever_frost]

And you ignore the parts you don't like. Dolt.



Unless you had a college degree when you went in you were either going to be someones assistant, or you went in with unrealistic expectations.

Again, you don't know what I went to the office with but I do enjoy watching you spin and twist and try to make a comeback "Could have been" Marine. I had no problem with being an assistant and going green to gold while in, finishing my degree and going to OCS. And this was before 9/11 but dammit, infantry is just so cool. Where else do you get to play with missiles, claymores, anti tank and personnel mines, full auto weapons and shoot people?

[racrguy]

Again, you don't know what I went to the office with but I do enjoy watching you spin and twist and try to make a comeback "Could have been" Marine. I had no problem with being an assistant and going green to gold while in, finishing my degree and going to OCS. And this was before 9/11 but dammit, infantry is just so cool. Where else do you get to play with missiles, claymores, anti tank and personnel mines, full auto weapons and shoot people?

Awww, how cute. You've listed out your military career pretty well throughout the years, so there's no need in assuming what you did. There's also no need to make a comeback when all you guys have are Ad Hominems

[Forever_frost]

Awww, how cute. You've listed out your military career pretty well throughout the years, so there's no need in assuming what you did. There's also no need to make a comeback when all you guys have are Ad Hominems

No, I've put up some parts of it. I haven't talked about my enlistment or what I had aimed to do at first. I'd say "At ease" but you wouldn't get it. So what was "almost basic training" like? I've mentioned the constitution and law. You've offered your fingers in your ears.

One second, reminds me of this:

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/10/halfway-heroes-near-veterans-seek-recognition-for-almost-serving-in-military/

CHARLESTON, SC – Jody Siever spends his Friday nights like so many American servicemen and women, mingling while kicking back drinks at a local bar. Recognizing the giveaway military haircut of a fellow patron, he approaches with an arm extended.

“Welcome home, soldier.” Smiling, though apparently puzzled, the stranger returns a firm, brief handshake.

“Thanks, but I’m in the Navy. And I haven’t been anywhere—I’m in Nuke School,” he replies, referring to the Naval Nuclear Power Training Center in Goose Creek, S.C.

“That’s cool,” Siever says, “I almost thought about joining the Navy for a while, but if I did join the service, I would have gone into the Army. I’m just kind of hardcore like that. Shooting bad guys in the face—that’s the life for me. If I wanted it.”

Siever, you see, never actually enlisted.

Veteran servicemembers often find it difficult to relate their experiences in the military to friends and family back home, but a new civilian organization is working to expand that exclusive brotherhood. The Bros Before Joes campaign, established in 2011, seeks to legitimize the efforts of people like Siever, whose commitments to serving in the military range from the hypothetical to the nearly realized.

“We’ve got guys from all over the spectrum here. Some of our members, they merely thought about joining the Army a few times, or took the ASVAB in high school to get out of first period,” explains BBJ founder Trent Bower. “Other guys though, they got as far as making appointments to go to MEPS [Military Entrance Processing Station], but then something important came up.”

A near-Marine himself, Bower recounts his own brush with fate:

“I talked with a Marine recruiter a few times in high school, even attended a couple of pool functions at the recruiting office. It got to the point that I was there so often, the recruiters even started calling me ‘Boot.’ They were practically begging me to enlist, but I always knew I was meant for something more meaningful.”

Bower, a 31-year old assistant manager at a successful pizza delivery franchise, started the Bros Before Joes campaign in his spare time, seeking to bring recognition to others who share his story. For Siever, and thousands of almost-soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines like him, the organization is a long-overdue ray of hope.

Says Siever, “It’s great, you know, to finally be able to reach out and connect with others who share your non-experiences. After giving so much, dedicating so much time and energy to thinking about enlisting, it just feels like we’re finally getting the thanks we deserve.” And recognition has been swift in coming.

Thanks to a successful joint-lobbying campaign with the Almost Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a bill is now before the Senate to approve Veteran’s Affairs benefits for BBJ and AIAVA members. The resolution received overwhelming bipartisan support in a House vote earlier this year from a majority of US Representatives who are themselves non-veterans.

Regarding the passage in the House, Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) released this statement:

“This isn’t a Red-or-Blue, liberal-versus-conservative issue. It’s about giving near-veterans like me and many of my constituents the recognition we’ve been denied for far too long.” Currently, 345 out of 435, or roughly 80% of members of the U.S. House of Representatives, have no recorded military service.

As the bill nears the Senate floor, however, some opponents are voicing concerns. Senator and Navy veteran John McCain (R-AZ) held a press conference outside his home in Phoenix, Arizona on Tuesday, calling the bill “a mockery… of all that I hold dear.” He also stated that he would “rather tongue-kiss Jane Fonda” than vote to approve the measure. Before he could take questions, he had to be ushered away for medical treatment when blood began seeping from his clenched fist—reportedly from clutching his Silver Star too tightly.

And he’s not alone. Senator Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI) is an Army veteran of World War II and presently the only serving member of Congress to have earned a Congressional Medal of Honor. When presented with the bill’s full text, Sen. Inouye declared it “a perversion of our American values,” and refused to touch it, even with his prosthetic arm. Said Inouye, “I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.”

Despite these protests, the bill has mass appeal with civilians and near-veterans on both sides of the aisle. Arguments will begin in earnest when the Senate reconvenes next January. Until then, it’s a long wait for near-heroes like Siever and Bower.

Asked if he would do anything different given the opportunity, Bower harkens back to his non-Marine days:

“I just couldn’t leave all of this behind. I miss those pool functions, though. They were good times; some of the best times of my life. You just… you go through something like that, almost sacrificing so much, with such a close group of guys, and it really makes you brothers, you know? I even think I still have some recruitment brochures around here, somewhere.”

[exlude]

Yet I quote the constitution and US Code that supports me.

Good try. Dolt.

(Isn't that what you pulled a few threads ago?)

I've seen the portion of the constitution, re: copywrite, you posted. I've seen the US Code you posted. But those are two separate issues.

If the argument is that the US Code isn't constitutional, and your defense is the copywrite protection in the constitution, you'd have to show where copywrite protections have been used to prevent people from wearing certain clothing.

[Forever_frost]

Actually, my position is that those emblems and medals are owned by the DoD and they have a copyright on them and in the cases of the medals, retain ownership of them. Racr's position that copyright doesn't apply and that the US code is unconstitutional requires him to provide proof and the burden is his.

[exlude]

Actually, my position is that those emblems and medals are owned by the DoD and they have a copyright on them and in the cases of the medals, retain ownership of them. Racr's position that copyright doesn't apply and that the US code is unconstitutional requires him to provide proof and the burden is his.

The DoD does not produce the medals, they license that out. And the medals are sold to the general public and/or issued through supply chains according to said license.

Now, if a person is to buy a medal and wear it, copywrite does not apply. Copywrite protection prevents people from using your intellectual property and producing/profiting from it. The medal itself belongs to the purchaser.

Here's where the US Code comes in regarding the wear. You defend this code quoting copywrite, when copywrite does not apply to the actual wear. I'm only seeing a circular argument here.

As a simplification:
Me: The US Code isn't constitutional.
You: Copywrite clause makes it constitutional.
Me: Copywrite clause doesn't apply though.
You: That's where the US Code comes in.
Me: But the US Code isn't constitutional.

I've yet to see you say how copywrite applies to the private wear of items. If you could show me that, I could see some tangibility to what you are saying.

[BlackSnake]

Let me ask you this. Lets say you were going to do some contract work on a house, the person verbally tells you that they're going to pay you 10k to paint the fence and the trim outside the house, but when you go to sign the contract not only do they only want to pay you 8k, but they also want you to paint the entire inside of the home. Would you sign the contract knowing you're getting fucked, or would you walk? Keep in mind, negotiations are over at this point and you have both agreed on a price and job.

I wasn't trying to step on your toes. I get it, but ultimately, it is you that walks away from the job.

I have excepted that offer a time or two, by the way.

[Forever_frost]

The DoD does not produce the medals, they license that out. And the medals are sold to the general public and/or issued through supply chains according to said license.

Now, if a person is to buy a medal and wear it, copywrite does not apply. Copywrite protection prevents people from using your intellectual property and producing/profiting from it. The medal itself belongs to the purchaser.

Here's where the US Code comes in regarding the wear. You defend this code quoting copywrite, when copywrite does not apply to the actual wear. I'm only seeing a circular argument here.

As a simplification:
Me: The US Code isn't constitutional.
You: Copywrite clause makes it constitutional.
Me: Copywrite clause doesn't apply though.
You: That's where the US Code comes in.
Me: But the US Code isn't constitutional.

I've yet to see you say how copywrite applies to the private wear of items. If you could show me that, I could see some tangibility to what you are saying.

I'm going to do some research to see if it's been challenged and the reasoning behind it. Standby.

[Forever_frost]

Been digging through this for a bit and it seems that the federal government is basing this code off the raising an Army. Wearing proper uniform and medals is impersonating a member of the military, which is prohibited unless it is done for plays or movies or entertainment but cannot be mistaken for the person actually being in the military.

Still researching.

[Cooter]

If I wanted to I would.

Lol, no you wouldn't

[Forever_frost]

Lol, no you wouldn't

Of course he would. It'd be a short story because we'd see him shortly afterwards naked and beaten with the logo branded on his face

[jdgregory84]

I wanna stay out of this because I have never served. All I know is that my friends that have served call the Marines "The few...the proud...the entitled." Because they say "How do you know if somebody is a Marine? They'll fucking tell you."

[Forever_frost]

Oh most who served are proud of it and will let it be known be it caps, shirts, tats or just their presence, you tend to know who service members are. Even Coasties get a bit of steel in basic.

[KBScobravert]

Marines are a proud bunch. Because when given the option of being a Marine and joining the Army, they picked the one whose slogan is the few the proud, not Army of one or Army strong or be all that you can be, or whatever their slogan is this week. No dig on the Army but most wanted to be a Marine first they just made another choice.