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  • #16
    The headline for the article should be, "Dishonest leadership and pathetic management leads to the lack of basic equipment."

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    • #17
      No the title should have been Sequestration: Nothing more than holding the military hostage to get your tax hikes passed.

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      • #18
        As a defense contractor, I just got the news my "position no longer exists." As did 300 workers at Pearl Harbor shipyard last week. Been fishing for a job since the election went the way it did, but lotta other former vets are doing the same.

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        • #19
          Want to know how to cut one trillion dollars over the next 30 years? It's called the f35. It cost more than all the bailouts combined, its cost exceeds that of the entire operating budget of NASA over the existence of the agency, it is replacing a plane that has 122 kills and zero losses, and is on its way to become the most expensive project ever undertaken by mankind.

          But yeah we can't cut that, we need the f22 and the f35 and the f15 and harriers and typhoons.
          Originally posted by lincolnboy
          After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
            More crybaby bullshit from the Pentagon. Total cuts to their operation is 22 billion.
            Right here. Their scare tactics quit working on me long ago. I'll bet the Pentagon pisses away $22 billion a month.

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            • #21
              I agree the F35 needs to be cut, use that money to keep the 15's flying longer. The new equipment side of things needs major overhauling, but they need to keep the funding for the repair and servicing the fleet they have now.

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              • #22
                Dohctr, for someone who ran away from the problem and refused to stand up and fight, you sure are opinionated on things that no longer should concern you.

                That being said I agree the F35 program has been way too costly. But in the defense world you are always looking well into the future. The F15 was designed in 1967, and first flew in 1972. It is an ancient platform and design. Yes it is still the top dog in the world today, but will it be in 10-15 years? I for one believe we should now be working on the needs to defend this nation well into the 2040s and beyond. (Of course this is assuming we will still be America then)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DallasSleeper View Post
                  Dohctr, for someone who ran away from the problem and refused to stand up and fight, you sure are opinionated on things that no longer should concern you.

                  That being said I agree the F35 program has been way too costly. But in the defense world you are always looking well into the future. The F15 was designed in 1967, and first flew in 1972. It is an ancient platform and design. Yes it is still the top dog in the world today, but will it be in 10-15 years? I for one believe we should now be working on the needs to defend this nation well into the 2040s and beyond. (Of course this is assuming we will still be America then)
                  Nothing like a little ad hominem to start your day and continue the nonsensical defense of your position.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Slowhand View Post
                    Nothing like a little ad hominem to start your day and continue the nonsensical defense of your position.
                    Lol!
                    Originally posted by lincolnboy
                    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jw33 View Post
                      The sky is falling...... This is nothing more than a hit piece, no different from when they show someone pushing an old lady in a wheel chair off of a cliff when the subject of entitlement reform is brought up. The fact is that the pentagon spends and wastes a substantial amount of money. Not buying body armor is piss poor leadership/management, not directly a budget issue. Military spending is going to be reduced one way or the other, it is going to happen eventually. The cuts can happen over time with some wise discretion or we can be get to a point where the economy could collapse and our currency is worthless. The responsible thing to do is to trim the waste and keep the necessary items which in my opinion body armor falls into. Remodeling barracks, maintaining overseas bases, sending F-16 jets to Egypt, supplying maniacs with weapons to over-throw different maniacs in charge, or subsidizing farmers is not the sort of thing we need to be doing when we are in this situation. There are literally hundreds, if not into the thousands, of different places to look where we can reduce spending in our military budget with no negative impact in our readiness.

                      This article is attempting to play on the heartstrings of fools who can be persuaded into believing we cannot cut military spending by even a dime. There is enough money to accomplish our goals. The real issue is that we have idiots in charge who have run shenanigans giving their brother in-laws fat government contracts. As a politician if you bring up the idea of getting rid of the real waste it is career suicide and you're painted as someone who wants to see American soldiers get killed. There is way more to the story than what this article represents.
                      Very well said the military wastes a tremendous amount of money. I bet that if they change the way they spend their money that they would feel almost none of the spending cuts after all every company in the military throws away thousand of dollars of equipment still in the box and brand new so they can say they spent the money allocated to them by the pentagon. If the military allowed the units to request money they would need and then give them extra when deploying etc it would save a lot of money.

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                      • #26
                        It was revealed yesterday that the military (all phases), Medicaid, Social Security, and congressional salaries are all exempt from the sequester. There's a long list, but these are the main items that are NOT being cut.
                        This is all nothing more than scare tactics in order to give Owe-bama more money to spend.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                          More crybaby bullshit from the Pentagon. Total cuts to their operation is 22 billion.
                          Listened to a report the other day that stated our government is borrowing approximately 28 billion per month.

                          That's not what they spend in one month, but what they borrow to go with what they spend.
                          www.allforoneroofing.com

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                          • #28
                            We are borrowing 45 cents on the dollar.

                            On second thoughts, bring on the sequester
                            I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                              We are borrowing 45 cents on the dollar.

                              On second thoughts, bring on the sequester
                              It won't affect your benefits or the military, in any way. Barry's own people have said there's $125 billion of waste in the executive branch alone, and the president IS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. The onus is on his ass and his ass alone.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ceyko View Post
                                I'm not trying to argue with you, but government spending overall is wasteful and too high from the bottom up. Defense just happens to be a tall weed, but all the weeds need to be trimmed and I just don't see it happening.
                                Totally agree.

                                Wasn't there a Senator or Congressman that recently found somewhere around 50 or 60 billion dollars in wasteful spending by the Pentagon? That could pretty much make up the shortfall..

                                I want our men and woman to have the best equipment but it doesn't take a genius to see that defense acquisitions are broken. The F-35 has no business costing over a trillion bucks over its lifetime. That program should have been killed long ago. The F-22 wasn't much better..

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