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  • For those couple of you that have no problem with Defense cuts

    This is what happens
    Troops getting gear from charity as U.S. military braces for budget cuts
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...165300942.html
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta warned this week that looming military spending cuts “will result in a serious erosion of readiness across the force.”

    The caution comes as no surprise to Aaron Negherbon, whose nonprofit helps soldiers circumvent government fiscal challenges and red tape to get critical equipment to combat troops.

    “I’ve been told by units that are over there, as well as units that are still stateside, that they are already feeling budget pinches as a result of the state of affairs in D.C.,” said Negherbon, TroopsDirect founder. “We’re hearing more statements that are along the lines of, ‘Our supply chains have been minimized, and we can’t get stuff in the time that we need.’”

    For the past three years, Negherbon says his handful of volunteers near Oakland, Calif., have secured and expedited 60,000 pounds of vital supplies like stretchers, communications gear, protective goggles and more to infantry units and special operations forces around the globe.

    But then a few weeks ago, the former real estate broker fielded a call for something never requested before: bulletproof vests.

    “We need body armor,” Negherbon recalls the veteran Army sergeant saying. “He said, ‘We’re getting ready to deploy, and they are only giving us 30 of the 60 vests that we need.’ The way he laid it out to me … it was part budget and part just general policy of what the unit was going to be issued as opposed to what they needed to have issued.”

    The sergeant told Negherbon 60 soldiers in his unit, which deploys to Afghanistan in early April, are route-clearing specialists assigned to eliminate roads of obstacles, primarily improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

    “It’s not like they are chefs or secretaries,” Negherbon said. “They are the guys that go out there and identify and defuse the bombs.

    For security reasons, Negherbon declined to identify the Army sergeant who called him. But he says he verified the request with a unit commander before placing the order. Negherbon sent Yahoo News a copy of the invoice for 31 modular operator plate carriers (MOPC) by Condor. The total cost of $1,700 was relatively low because the sergeant said they already had the protective plates for the MOPCs.

    However, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon said every soldier deployed to Afghanistan is issued the Improved Outer Tactical Vest (IOTV).

    “It provides for maximum protection, as the Army has conducted exhaustive testing on that system. Certainly fit for route-clearing operations,” Matthew Bourke, the spokesman, said in an email to Yahoo News.

    The military is already operating on less money than planned and without an approved annual spending bill, but Bourke is adamant that his branch has no shortage of body armor or other supplies.

    “That is just not accurate,” he said. Bourke did acknowledge that Special Forces troops and certain other units are provided the MOPC-style vests because some soldiers find the design lighter and more mobile.

    “The MOPC is approved for wear, but does not offer the protection rates IOTVs do,” he said. “When developing body armor, protection has always been our primary concern.”

    Negherbon said troops tell him the IOTV is antiquated and cumbersome.

    “Like issuing a musket when a shotgun is needed,” he said.

    Regardless of which vest is better, Negherbon said TroopsDirect policy has always been to go with what the boots on the ground want.

    “If they ask for a certain item, that’s what we give them,” he said. “They know what is best for them.”

    TroopsDirect raised $786,813 in 2011 through corporate backers, grants and individual donors. Negherbon, who drew a $43,750 salary, said 87 cents of every dollar went directly to troop-related expenses.

    Troops have responded by blanketing the organization’s Facebook wall with thanks.

    “Sir, I spoke with our Seabee's this past week and they wanted me to convey their greatest appreciation in the boxes of gloves and safety glasses sent to them! Truly a blessing to them so they can finish the mission!”

    “Care packages are nice but they aren’t keeping us alive and our arms and legs intact like your TroopsDirect shipments are.”

    Automatic budget cuts slated to begin March 1 could cost the Department of Defense a possible $46 billion through the end of September.

    “Ultimately, sequestration and the continuing resolution will affect readiness and training and fleet and equipment maintenance,” wrote Bourke, the Army spokesman. “It will affect acquisition and modernizing our equipment. It's going to affect soldiers in combat. But, not soldiers that are currently there or those set to deploy in this next round. The units after that, however, will start to feel the effects.”

    In the meantime, TroopsDirect expects the bulletproof vests to be ready for shipping in early March.

    “We’ve never had a request like this,” Negherbon said. “But certainly for obvious reasons we are filling that order in rapid fashion.”

  • #2
    Read the article... Im not 100% sure I believe it. I could be wrong but I doubt the govt is that strapped for cash to not give armor.

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    • #3
      Lol the cuts haven't hit yet. This is a failure of defense management and logistics. Put the kool aid down.

      Defense spending is very wasteful and too high.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View Post
        Lol the cuts haven't hit yet. This is a failure of defense management and logistics. Put the kool aid down.

        Defense spending is very wasteful and too high.
        I'm not trying to argue with you, but government spending overall is wasteful and too high from the bottom up. Defense just happens to be a tall weed, but all the weeds need to be trimmed and I just don't see it happening.
        Originally posted by MR EDD
        U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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        • #5
          Nuke the Middle East=defense budget reduced by 50%

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          • #6
            Read the article. It says that the troops are issued armor they just prefer a different style and are asking for that style because it is more comfortable. I would think the issued style would work better since it is bulkier (bigger ie more area to stop bad things) If it works better there is less chance for injuries, that's why it gets issued.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View Post
              Lol the cuts haven't hit yet. This is a failure of defense management and logistics. Put the kool aid down.

              Defense spending is very wasteful and too high.
              I can totally drink this kool aid. In 03 during the initial invasion we did not have all of the body armor we needed. I personally did not have an IBAS until at least 6 months into my deployment. (This was more due to supply and demand though) Right now the pentagon is scrambling and money is being moved around because they know they wont have any.

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              • #8
                But they have had enough rotate back to the states that were not back filled here in country. Where are all those IOTVs at?

                Hell, they can have my Interceptor, I fucking hate that thing. I think the government property administer would not approve the hand off though.

                If they are RCP, more than likely EOD, and given their small number, something is fishy in the story. Somewhere there has to be tons of equipment that is perfectly serviceable that is going unused.
                Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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                • #9
                  The sky is falling...... This is nothing more than a hit piece, no different from when they show someone pushing an old lady in a wheel chair off of a cliff when the subject of entitlement reform is brought up. The fact is that the pentagon spends and wastes a substantial amount of money. Not buying body armor is piss poor leadership/management, not directly a budget issue. Military spending is going to be reduced one way or the other, it is going to happen eventually. The cuts can happen over time with some wise discretion or we can be get to a point where the economy could collapse and our currency is worthless. The responsible thing to do is to trim the waste and keep the necessary items which in my opinion body armor falls into. Remodeling barracks, maintaining overseas bases, sending F-16 jets to Egypt, supplying maniacs with weapons to over-throw different maniacs in charge, or subsidizing farmers is not the sort of thing we need to be doing when we are in this situation. There are literally hundreds, if not into the thousands, of different places to look where we can reduce spending in our military budget with no negative impact in our readiness.

                  This article is attempting to play on the heartstrings of fools who can be persuaded into believing we cannot cut military spending by even a dime. There is enough money to accomplish our goals. The real issue is that we have idiots in charge who have run shenanigans giving their brother in-laws fat government contracts. As a politician if you bring up the idea of getting rid of the real waste it is career suicide and you're painted as someone who wants to see American soldiers get killed. There is way more to the story than what this article represents.

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                  • #10
                    I posted in a previous thread about this subject that I agree, there are areas that can be safely cut, but the current cuts will destroy our readiness.

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                    • #11
                      More crybaby bullshit from the Pentagon. Total cuts to their operation is 22 billion.
                      Originally posted by racrguy
                      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                      Originally posted by racrguy
                      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DallasSleeper View Post
                        I posted in a previous thread about this subject that I agree, there are areas that can be safely cut, but the current cuts will destroy our readiness.
                        Talk to defense leaders...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jw33 View Post
                          There are literally hundreds, if not into the thousands, of different places to look where we can reduce spending in our military budget with no negative impact in our readiness.
                          I do not think anyone disagrees on the surface. However, just like in Clinton's Army the various puppet masters will push hard for no spending and then you end up with EQUIPMENT that is not mission capable.

                          To expand, if this goes anything like when I was enlisted at Ft Hood - we had plenty of training and field time. Just all our vehicles/gear were f'ed up. So, when the TOC would jump, more vehicles that you'd expect were getting towed around.

                          It would take months to get basic things resolved. Hell, I once flooded a humvee and my orders were to drain the mud/water, change the oil and drive on with it. This was AFTER field time when we were down for a little while.

                          Needless to say, there is no way you could consider that truck tactical anymore. Something was really f'ed up in it. BANG BANG BANG BANG going down the road
                          Originally posted by MR EDD
                          U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                          • #14
                            Cut off all payments that help run the U.N. and kick that worthless organization out of this country, and stop all foreign aid payments to Pakistan. Budget shortfall problem solved......

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                            • #15
                              If I was going to war, I certainly wouldn't ask for anything made by Condor. Why not throw some UTG quad rails and sights while they are shopping at the airsoft stores

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