Missouri Dems push confiscation

[Pokulski-Blatz]

How many of us said their is no way Obamacare will pass, No way Obama will get elected, No way he gets re-elected. This past 5 years has taught me 1 thing, never say never when it comes to the stupidity of our fellow countrymen

Take a look at the party balance in both their house and senate. No way that the Repub majority will shoot them self in the foot, effectively handing both over to the Dems in the next election.

[Moose242]

So explain this and Feinstein's bills

I fail to see how feinstein's bill deals with door to door gun confiscation (as there is no provision for it within the text). This bill however does, and will more than likely fail. That being said if it does pass, it will be fought in court and be an issue of property rights (it is very illegal for the government to take any property without giving due compensation).

Also, who is going to go door to door and take guns from anyone? That would literally be the most life threatening job ever. Hell, give the jack booted thugs APCs and some redneck will just fill a garbage can up with tannerite and shoot it the moment it rolls down the street. Also, I know no police officer nor federal agent that would go door to door to take peoples firearms. In fact, I bought a gun (a machine gun at that) from an ATF agent who said that everyone he knows in the agency would desert if that order came down the line.

[Forever_frost]

Would you like the video of Feinstein saying "If I could get 51 votes in the Senate I would say Mr and Mrs. America, turn in your guns?"

[Moose242]

What does that have to do with her current bill?

[LANTIRN]

What does that have to do with her current bill?

Several politicians, both federal and state, have stated on record that they would enforce confiscation if they could get the votes. Why do you continue to blindly ignore these statements? For fuck's sake, you are in Australia, where they already fucking confiscated weapons. It has been done before; why can't you understand that history repeats itself?

[Moose242]

Several politicians, both federal and state, have stated on record that they would enforce confiscation if they could get the votes. Why do you continue to blindly ignore these statements? For fuck's sake, you are in Australia, where they already fucking confiscated weapons. It has been done before; why can't you understand that history repeats itself?

I am very aware of this, which is why I know there will not be a confiscation of arms in our lifetime. Ask Thomas Gage about the last time someone tried to disarm the public on our turf.

[LANTIRN]

I am very aware of this, which is why I know there will not be a confiscation of arms in our lifetime. Ask Thomas Gage about the last time someone tried to disarm the public on our turf.

How can you sit there and say you know that, when they are trying to pass the legislation in several states right now? Right now, in the present, this is actively being attempted. Why are you keeping your head in the sand? Not that any of it matters to you since you ran away to Australia as soon as Obama was reelected.

[ram57ta]

. Ask Thomas Gage about the last time someone tried to disarm the public on our turf.

He's dead......it would be kinda hard to ask him that question...come on Alex your slipping in your Australian induced coma

[Forever_frost]

So all of these bills coming out in NY, Missouri, California and Feinstein saying they will confiscate the weapons if you don't turn them in after x days...completely false.

[Nash B.]

I want to understand what their definition of 'assault weapon' is??

Section A. Chapter 571, RSMo, is amended by adding thereto one new section, to be known as section 571.023, to read as follows:
571.023. 1. As used in this section the following terms shall mean:
(1) "Assault weapon", any:
(a) Semi-automatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
b. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;
c. A folding or telescoping stock; or
d. A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;
(b) Semi-automatic pistol, or any semi-automatic, centerfire or rimfire rifle with a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition;
(c) Semi-automatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;
b. A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
c. A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or
d. The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip;
(d) Semi-automatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
a. A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
b. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;
c. A folding or telescoping stock;
d. A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; or
e. An ability to accept a detachable magazine;
(e) Shotgun with a revolving cylinder; or
(f) Conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

Assault weapon does not include any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable;
(2) "Detachable magazine", an ammunition feeding device that can be loaded or unloaded while detached from a firearm and readily inserted into a firearm and includes a magazine that can be detached by merely depressing a button on the firearm either with a finger or by use of a tool or bullet;
(3) "Fixed magazine", an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action;
(4) "Large capacity magazine", any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds;
(b) A twenty-two caliber tube ammunition feeding device; or
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking...ro/HB0545I.HTM

[Moose242]

How can you sit there and say you know that, when they are trying to pass the legislation in several states right now? Right now, in the present, this is actively being attempted. Why are you keeping your head in the sand? Not that any of it matters to you since you ran away to Australia as soon as Obama was reelected.

Did you not read my post about the risks involved in disarming the public on a grand scale?

[JP135]

Sure, this one won't pass, but it's out there now. And once out there, it won't go away. It'll be their beachhead. From there, they just continue to push a little at a time. Gain an inch, go for another inch. Its slow and incremental - sort of like Kudzu... or Communism. The more people hear about it, the more they accept it. Then one day, when you realize you're overwhelmed, its too late.

[LANTIRN]

Did you not read my post about the risks involved in disarming the public on a grand scale?

Again, it has been done before. Soviet Russia, China, Australia, Britain, the Jews in Nazi Germany; how many times do we have to spell this out for you? You think that America is some oasis where rights can't be violated, yet you fled to another country as soon as you saw that about to happen, but somehow guns are the one thing that is safe.

[Forever_frost]

Just like the AWB from the 90's is the base of the new AWB with more restrictions covering pistols, shotguns and rifles

[Moose242]

Again, it has been done before. Soviet Russia, China, Australia, Britain, the Jews in Nazi Germany; how many times do we have to spell this out for you? You think that America is some oasis where rights can't be violated, yet you fled to another country as soon as you saw that about to happen, but somehow guns are the one thing that is safe.

None of the States you listed had a firearm culture like we have, nor the scale of gun ownership. Americans hold their firearms in high regard, and we are guaranteed the right to bear them. Firearms will never, ever be confiscated. Even if they do pass some sort of law and it doesn't get shot down in court (which it unquestionably would) then it would lead to more dead federal agents and lawmen than you can imagine.

They have guns here by the way. Quite a few in fact.