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    Can't make up their mind what a good amount is and ban any higher magazine for the citizens, but we want the jobs they create.

    After several hours of impassioned testimony mostly from opponents to a measure to ban ammo magazines of more than 10 rounds, Colorado's House Judiciary Committee late Tuesday night passed the measure.

    But the bill, sponsored by state Rep. Rhonda Fields, D-Aurora, was amended by her colleagues to increase that limit to 15 rounds.

    State Rep. Mike McLachlan, D- Durango, who sits on the committee, offered the amendment to, he said, allow citizens to protect themselves.

    "Fifteen is a reasonable number, and this is what I'm going to ask in my amendment," McLachlan said.

    Other amendments to the bill also were expected.

    The House Judiciary Committee consists of seven Democrats and four Republicans,

    Former Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent David Chipman said a magazine ban is essential.

    "It will keep killers from being killing machines," Chipman said.

    In its form at the time of publication, House Bill 1224 prohibits the sale or possession of gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds or more than five shotgun shells.

    The bill says that if an individual already owns a high-capacity magazine on the effective date of the bill's becoming law, then that individual may retain it. Prosecutors would bear the burden of proof that an owner violated the new stricture.

    However, manufacturers would still be able to produce these magazines within the state.

    Charles Robles traveled from Colorado Springs and said had it not been for a high-capacity magazine, he would not be alive.

    "It helped me engage the three men who were shooting at me," said Robles in reference to a 2002 Memorial Day robbery at his small business. "I was shot five times, but I was able to save my life and fend off my attackers. "

    Doug Smith, chief operating officer of the Colorado-based ammunition magazine manufacturer Magpul, said the measure would force his company to leave Colorado and take with it an estimated $85 million in potential spending this year.

    "Passage would devastate the company," he said of the measure.

    State Rep. Daniel Kagan, D-Cherry Hills Village, who chairs the committee, said he did not want Magpul to leave the state.

    "I want to protect manufacturing in Colorado," Kagan said.


    But that didn't sit well with Lee Reedy, who traveled from Brighton with his wife to testify.

    "It's hypocritical," Reedy said in an interview. "On one end they're saying we want the jobs and revenue from producing these magazines, but on the other end, they're saying if you live in Colorado, then you can't possess one."


    Wish Magpul would do what Olympic Arms is doing.
    "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

  • #2
    Bring 'em to Texas.
    I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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    • #3
      They (Magpul) just said that if it passes, regardless of a manufacturing exemption, they will move out of Colorado. Bravo to them for sticking to their guns (pun intended).
      "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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      • #4
        They are one of the largest private employeers in the Boulder area and it will rock the economy pretty good.

        I can see Texas hitting 40-50 Million citizens if this horseshit continues.

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        • #5
          As much as we welcome their relocation here, I see similar requests from GA, MN and a few other states via Twitter.
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          • #6
            I kinda hope they pass it so Magpul leaves

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            • #7
              Live feed of the Colorado House
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              • #8
                I want a weapon tree.

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                • #9
                  Vote on Monday though they amended the legislation to exempt Magpul. I hope Magpul leaved Colorado

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
                    They are one of the largest private employeers in the Boulder area and it will rock the economy pretty good.

                    I can see Texas hitting 40-50 Million citizens if this horseshit continues.
                    Ironic they are in the highest populated area of the extreme left.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
                      Vote on Monday though they amended the legislation to exempt Magpul. I hope Magpul leaved Colorado
                      Magpul has said they are out if it passes in any form. The amendments are to make them look like the assholes, not the dem assholes that are voting for the horseshit in the first place.

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                      • #12
                        Looks like Magpul should start shopping for a new location.



                        DENVER (AP) — New ammunition limits and universal background checks passed the Colorado House on Monday, during a second day of emotional debates that has drawn attention from the White House as lawmakers try to address recent mass shootings.

                        The bills were among four the Democratic-controlled House passed amid strong resistance from Republicans, who were joined by a few Democrats to make some of the votes close.

                        The proposed ammunition restrictions place a limit of 15 rounds for firearms, and eight for shotguns. Three Democrats joined all Republicans voting no on the bill, but the proposal passed 34-31.

                        "Enough is enough. I'm sick and tired of bloodshed," said Democratic Rep. Rhonda Fields, a sponsor of the bill and representative of the district where the shootings at an Aurora theater happened last summer. Fields' son was also fatally shot in 2005.

                        Republicans argued that the proposals restrict Second Amendment rights and won't prevent mass shootings like the ones in Aurora and a Connecticut elementary school.

                        "This bill will never keep evil people from doing evil things," said Republican Rep. Jerry Sonnenberg.

                        The House also approved a bill requiring background checks on all gun purchases, including those between private sellers and firearms bought online.

                        Other proposals would ban concealed firearms at colleges and stadiums, and another requires that gun purchasers pay for their own background checks. Democrats eked out the closest vote on the background check measure, which passed on a 33-32 vote.

                        Democratic Rep. Ed Vigil, who represents rural southern Colorado, voted against the four bills, saying his decision was rooted in the state's rugged history.

                        "This is part of our heritage. This is part of what it took to settle this land. I cannot turn my back on that," he said.

                        But even though a few Democrats joined Republicans in voting no for the bills, the Democrats' 37-28 advantage in the House gave them enough leeway.

                        The Senate still needs to consider the proposals. Democrats will need to be more unified in their support there because their advantage is only 20-15. That means Republicans need only three Democrats to join them to defeat the bills.

                        House lawmakers began debating the bills Friday. Lawmakers debated for 12 hours before giving initial approval to the bills, setting up the final recorded votes Monday. During the debate Friday, Vice President Joe Biden called four Democrats, including two in moderate districts, to solidify support for the measures.

                        Democratic Rep. Dominick Moreno, who represents a district in suburban Denver, was among the four lawmakers. He said Biden "emphasized the importance of Colorado's role in shaping national policy around this issue."

                        Castle Rock Republican Rep. Carole Murray brought up Biden's calls during Monday's debate, saying she didn't appreciate "East-coast politicians" trying to influence Colorado legislators.

                        Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper supports the expanded background checks, and thinks gun buyers should pay for them. He also said he may support the ammunition limits, if lawmakers agree to a number between 15 and 20. He said he hasn't decided whether to support banning concealed firearms on campuses and stadiums.

                        Republicans say students should have the right to defend themselves.

                        "Do not disarm our young adults in general and our young women in particular on our college campuses in the name of a gun-free zone," Republican Rep. Jim Wilson said.

                        The gun debate highlights a fundamental philosophical difference between many Democrats and Republicans.

                        "I resent the implication that unless we all arm ourselves we will not be adequately protected," said Dickey Lee Hullinghorst, the Democrats' leader in the House.

                        Republican Rep. Christ Holbert became emotional while explaining his opposition to the bills. He said he understood Fields cares about the bills, because of her district and because her son was shot and killed in 2005.

                        "But I care passionately about the United States Constitution and the constitution of this state, and the oath that we have taken," Holbert said.

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                        • #13
                          I'm seeing a challenge in court soon
                          I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                          • #14
                            Wonder when the Senate will vote on the bill. I agree that Biden needs to get the Fuck out of states rights to try and push his liberal agenda. This reminds me more and more of Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
                              Wonder when the Senate will vote on the bill. I agree that Biden needs to get the Fuck out of states rights to try and push his liberal agenda. This reminds me more and more of Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged"
                              It's not even States' rights. They don't have the right to take away ours.

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