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  • Now They Tell Us: Obama's Tax Promises Were Bogus

    Remember all those mainstream news reports before the election about how President Obama's expansive spending plans would require massive tax hikes on everyone, not just millionaires and billionaires? Neither do we.

    But somehow after the election, reporters are finally admitting that Obama's budget numbers simply don't add up and that new taxes on the middle class — including a European-style value added tax — are "inevitable."

    New York Times columnist Eduardo Porter, for example, wrote this week that the $620 billion in tax hikes on the rich that Obama secured as part of the fiscal-cliff deal are "hardly enough to stabilize the nation's debt in the next 10 years, let alone deal with the long-term budget deficit."

    Fortune senior editor-at-large Shawn Tully wrote last week how "steep deficits and mountainous debt will rise even after the new revenue is counted."

    An article on CNBC's website in early January noted that the fiscal-cliff deal "merely masks the bleak long-term outlook for the country."

    These stories go on to say that there's no way Obama can finance his ambitious plans without raising taxes on everyone.

    The Financial Times ran a piece shortly after Obama signed the fiscal-cliff deal noting "that maintaining a basic welfare state . .. implies higher taxes for the middle class as well as for the rich."

    Targeting The Middle

    CNN reported that while "President Obama wants to balance spending cuts with tax increases ... experts say he can't do that without hitting the middle class."

    That story quotes Concord Coalition Executive Director Robert Bixby saying that "it's hard to make the numbers work" if you exempt "the middle class from any pain."

    Hmm.

    As we recall, Obama endlessly promised the country that he could spend — sorry, "invest" — more on roads and education while cutting the deficit simply by trimming some fat out of government programs and asking "millionaires and billionaires to pay just a little bit more."

    No one in the mainstream press seriously challenged Obama on this at the time, even though it was painfully obvious to anyone who looked at the budget forecasts that Obama was peddling fiscal snake oil.

    No Spending Cuts

    Obama's own budget showed that his plan trimmed 10-year deficits by just $2 trillion.

    And a Congressional Budget Office review of that plan showed deficits shooting back up after 2018.

    So now that Obama is safely back in the White House, it's apparently OK for reporters to be honest with the public and talk up the "inevitability" of new taxes on the middle class.

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  • #2
    I hope he taxes the dumbasses more that put him back in office.

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    • #3
      They were talking about the UK's VAT tax or consumer tax the other day on fox. They pay around 20% on any purchase on top of the taxes on their paycheck. Imagine getting a tax hike on your check, still paying Texas's sales tax AND a 20% vat tax?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lason View Post
        They were talking about the UK's VAT tax or consumer tax the other day on fox. They pay around 20% on any purchase on top of the taxes on their paycheck. Imagine getting a tax hike on your check, still paying Texas's sales tax AND a 20% vat tax?

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        It's getting closer and closer to the point where it's not worth it to work....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by racrguy View Post
          It's getting closer and closer to the point where it's not worth it to work....
          When unemployement will pay me $420+ a week in Texas cause I am maxed out on earnings; why would I take a job for $15-18 an hour only to take home an extra $200? I could mow three lawns a week in my neighborhood and bring home more with my unemployment check. Now unemployement is different than a welfare check and it should not last forever but look at the scum that spend the majority of their life on enemployment.

          This is dear to me cause I will be getting laid off sometime in this year or the very beginning of next.

          As much as I would LOVE to sit at home with my daughter and catch a check once a week from unemployment they need to limit that shit.
          Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
            When unemployement will pay me $420+ a week in Texas cause I am maxed out on earnings; why would I take a job for $15-18 an hour only to take home an extra $200? I could mow three lawns a week in my neighborhood and bring home more with my unemployment check. Now unemployement is different than a welfare check and it should not last forever but look at the scum that spend the majority of their life on enemployment.

            This is dear to me cause I will be getting laid off sometime in this year or the very beginning of next.

            As much as I would LOVE to sit at home with my daughter and catch a check once a week from unemployment they need to limit that shit.
            Exactly, $420 a week at this point for me would be a raise. It's fucking bullshit. I've never paid much in taxes, but I'm tired of seeing what I am paying in going to motherfuckers just sitting on their asses while I'm out there scraping by, literally.

            I feel like going hulk smash in this motherfucker, but I couldn't afford to replace whatever of my shit I broke. Fuck this.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
              When unemployement will pay me $420+ a week in Texas cause I am maxed out on earnings; why would I take a job for $15-18 an hour only to take home an extra $200? I could mow three lawns a week in my neighborhood and bring home more with my unemployment check. Now unemployement is different than a welfare check and it should not last forever but look at the scum that spend the majority of their life on enemployment.

              This is dear to me cause I will be getting laid off sometime in this year or the very beginning of next.

              As much as I would LOVE to sit at home with my daughter and catch a check once a week from unemployment they need to limit that shit.
              I collected unemployment for about a month and I have to admit, while it wasn't much, all I had to do was sit around and get paid every two weeks. Now I have to work for it like the rest of the suckers. Being that gas was my second largest expense a month, I was making just about as much on unemployment as I was when I was working. Hell, if I had applied for food stamps I probably would've come out with more than I was making at work.
              "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jdgregory84 View Post
                I collected unemployment for about a month and I have to admit, while it wasn't much, all I had to do was sit around and get paid every two weeks. Now I have to work for it like the rest of the suckers. Being that gas was my second largest expense a month, I was making just about as much on unemployment as I was when I was working. Hell, if I had applied for food stamps I probably would've come out with more than I was making at work.
                That's just it, there are too many people out there that think because something is available they should take advantage of it. Fuck that. Be a grown ass man/woman and handle your goddamn business on your own. Don't use other motherfuckers for a crutch, you did that for 18+ years, don't you think it's time to stop?

                Edit: Fuck this. I'm gonna watch some IT crowd, have a glass of milk and go to bed, the more I think about it the more pissed off I'm getting.

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                • #9
                  I read a story a while back that showed a single mom of one would have just as much discretionary spending while working at a $20,000 (ish) job w/welfare, etc, as she would working a $60,000 (ish) job w/o welfare. I wish I remembered what site/where the story was posted.

                  Stevo
                  Originally posted by SSMAN
                  ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stevo View Post
                    I read a story a while back that showed a single mom of one would have just as much discretionary spending while working at a $20,000 (ish) job w/welfare, etc, as she would working a $60,000 (ish) job w/o welfare. I wish I remembered what site/where the story was posted.

                    Stevo
                    Someone started a thread about it on here, it was either frost or Strychnine, IIRC.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                      That's just it, there are too many people out there that think because something is available they should take advantage of it. Fuck that. Be a grown ass man/woman and handle your goddamn business on your own. Don't use other motherfuckers for a crutch, you did that for 18+ years, don't you think it's time to stop?

                      Edit: Fuck this. I'm gonna watch some IT crowd, have a glass of milk and go to bed, the more I think about it the more pissed off I'm getting.
                      I lived paycheck to paycheck. Told 24hr fitness that I was going back to school and requested a demotion and they said no. I told them that I'd work through the end of the year and 3 days later they said goodbye. I figured that I've paid taxes since I was 17. However, unlike a lot of people I actually looked for a job and got one. I don't feel that I took advantage of the system. Just used it when needed.

                      I don't care what anybody says, if you want to find a job, you can find a job. It might not be the job you're looking for but there are plenty of jobs out there.
                      "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                      • #12
                        At least accepting unemployment I know that I (my employer) contribute to it every month I work. So I won't feel like SUCH a leach on society.

                        I came home for a little under a year, went straight to work in a 40hr a week job down from 84hrs a week. The gas, food, insurance, taxes destroyed my little paycheck which in turn depleted my savings. All so I could go to work everyday. Now, the future will be better though, the wife got a promotion and sizeable raise, we paid off a vehicle, paid down a lot of debt etc and should be putting in a water well to counter the high bills when I come home again for good. Part of it is OUR fault for living where we do but I swore that my daughter would grow up in a nice area, nice schools and with nice neighbors. If I have to work 2 jobs to afford it I will.

                        Remember the days of coming home to no power cause they couldn't pay the bill, left overs from the same cheaply made tuna meal from the night before, a cold house when their was power to keep the bills down, no take out food, no entertainment and our parents were too proud to ask for help. I am proud of them for that and it taught me valuable lessons in life. Had they taken assitance in the form of stamps, etc I would have learned the easy way out and now that food stamps are on a debit card there is no shame factor to keep that lesson going. We are doomed, doomed, doomed.
                        Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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