Death of the 2nd amendment, the thread

[Moose242]

Lol, those EOs are useless as fuck.

[stevo]

I disagree.

"16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

That does not change anything about (5) which is a specific right given to the individual - not the doctor. "No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity"

Doctors could always ask if they wanted to (optional from 1). Individuals have the specific right to decline to answer (5).

Nothing has changed here other than Obama saying he's going to clarify that medical professionals can ask if they want to. He can't make any changes to the ACT itself without involving both houses of Congress. His #16 is nothing more than a government memo/public service announcement.

I guess we can agree to disagree on what the changing of the phrase "may not require the disclosure" means, but I'll stand by my original comment:

...allows doctors to question...

Stevo

[bird_dog0347]

So I keep reading that another gun ban won't happen... it won't pass congress... But I also recall a year ago reading a metric shit ton about how Obama won't get re-elected, the people are just not going to get fooled like that again. I still don't feel good about this and even if they don't pass the first attempt, they'll just keep ramming away at congress till they get what they want. This isn't like a trial where there's no double jeopardy.

[Gtracer]

So I keep reading that another gun ban won't happen... it won't pass congress... But I also recall a year ago reading a metric shit ton about how Obama won't get re-elected, the people are just not going to get fooled like that again. I still don't feel good about this and even if they don't pass the first attempt, they'll just keep ramming away at congress till they get what they want. This isn't like a trial where there's no double jeopardy.

He has 4 more years to try right...

[Sean88gt]

which mod killed the 1st thread?

god bless.

My dick, you should smoke it.

[Sean88gt]

Lol, those EOs are useless as fuck.

How's the southern hemisphere?

[Moose242]

How's the southern hemisphere?

A little colder than I expected, temperate like San Diego.

[FATHERFORD]

A little colder than I expected, temperate like San Diego.

How is the pussy down under?

[Binky]

I guess we can agree to disagree on what the changing of the phrase "may not require the disclosure" means, but I'll stand by my original comment:

I'm fine with a doctor who is about to prescribe a drug that has mental side effects to ask. I've got friends who are therapists and they've had the same complaint. "They couldn't do anything but wait for him to hurt someone" By then its too late. Two years ago one had a patient who was on anti-depressants "violently go off" their meds and ended up shooting his GF in the back (paralyzing her) when he had an episode. Doc knew for weeks that he was a danger but couldn't do anything about it.

Part of this whole mess is that motherfuckers who are have severe mental issues or are otherwise at risk get access to firearms. These loopholes where the mentally and emotionally deficient end up getting access is why the rest of us law abiding and sane gun owners are paying the price.

[Gtracer]

But if I am mentally ill and don’t go to a doctor...who's to stop me

[Moose242]

How is the pussy down under?

Only been here 2 days, but this is a target rich environment.

And everybody stares at my boots like they have never seen a goddam Texan before.

[Trip McNeely]

All this is, is a HUGE Dog and Pony show. All this is going to do is pin the Republicans between a rock and a hard place. He is basically saying, if this doesn't go through Congress, blame the war mongering, murder supporting Republicans. He is trying to drive the wedge further, just like he did with the fiscal cliff bullshit. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. He is playing politics for the future. It's all a mental game at this point to him. He will do the same with the debt ceiling.

[David]

After reading these 23 items. Seems like you'll get piggy backed on health care and then be deemed a liability and have higher insurance rates or something else down those lines.

Just my thoughts and someone could have already said that.

[Gtracer]

All this is, is a HUGE Dog and Pony show. All this is going to do is pin the Republicans between a rock and a hard place. He is basically saying, if this doesn't go through Congress, blame the war mongering, murder supporting Republicans. He is trying to drive the wedge further, just like he did with the fiscal cliff bullshit. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. He is playing politics for the future. It's all a mental game at this point to him. He will do the same with the debt ceiling.

This, have been telling my co-workers all day long...this way he does not look like the bad guy

[stevo]

I'm fine with a doctor who is about to prescribe a drug that has mental side effects to ask. I've got friends who are therapists and they've had the same complaint. "They couldn't do anything but wait for him to hurt someone" By then its too late. Two years ago one had a patient who was on anti-depressants "violently go off" their meds and ended up shooting his GF in the back (paralyzing her) when he had an episode. Doc knew for weeks that he was a danger but couldn't do anything about it.

Part of this whole mess is that motherfuckers who are have severe mental issues or are otherwise at risk get access to firearms. These loopholes where the mentally and emotionally deficient end up getting access is why the rest of us law abiding and sane gun owners are paying the price.

You have every right to that opinion, I see it combined with the new definitions for mental illness to become the new power grab. You will now start hearing stories about doctors abusing these new policies to force personal political agendas.

But yeah, this is all paranoid talk, just like when people were paranoid about socialized medicine and paranoid about weapon bans.

Stevo