Death of the 2nd amendment, the thread

[stevo]

Check my edits in bold.

Önly #16 applies to my ACA post. HIPAA and ACA are two different pieces of legislation.

You are correct, but the EO (BCOOP can spin it how he chooses, it is an EO that is forcing the change to a law already on the books) #16 changes (5).

Also, #16 allows the removal of the "legal barriers" that would stop specific information being passed from doctors to data bases about their opinion on the mental status of people that they deemed as mentally ill. A doctor previously would not be able to report to a data base that the person in question possessed firearms since it was illegal for them to ask, this EO would allow them to report that information.

#17 is all about mental health professionals who are confused about when they can tell the authorities that someone was a danger to themselves or others. Not about their firearms ownership status.

#17 being included was a fuckup on my quote. Too much multitasking on my end.

Stevo

[racrguy]

Response from Rick Perry
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/18060/

Fuck Rick Perry for this line of thought.

"There is evil prowling in the world - it shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations, and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds. As a free people, let us choose what kind of people we will be. Laws, the only redoubt of secularism, will not suffice. Let us all return to our places of worship and pray for help. Above all, let us pray for our children.

The whole message contained in this particular statement is wrong.

[ELVIS]

which mod killed the 1st thread?

god bless.

[Nash B.]

Geor did it

[8mpg]

so nothing big as of yet

[lowthreeohz]

Lol Paul. Death of the 2nd (amendment) thread.

[slow06]

The whole message contained in this particular statement is wrong.

I would mostly agree. I think he meant to be encouraging (or I hope he did), but I would say even "secular people" (stealing his terminology) can still have good morals. I don't think it would take a law for you to know killing little kids is wrong, whether you are Christian, Buddhist, Atheist or Agnostic. It's common sense.

"Do not kill, to not rape, do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace" - Boondock Saints

[Binky]

You are correct, but the EO (BCOOP can spin it how he chooses, it is an EO that is forcing the change to a law already on the books) #16 changes (5).

Also, #16 allows the removal of the "legal barriers" that would stop specific information being passed from doctors to data bases about their opinion on the mental status of people that they deemed as mentally ill. A doctor previously would not be able to report to a data base that the person in question possessed firearms since it was illegal for them to ask, this EO would allow them to report that information.


Stevo

I disagree.

"16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

That does not change anything about (5) which is a specific right given to the individual - not the doctor. "No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity"

Doctors could always ask if they wanted to (optional from 1). Individuals have the specific right to decline to answer (5).

Nothing has changed here other than Obama saying he's going to clarify that medical professionals can ask if they want to. He can't make any changes to the ACT itself without involving both houses of Congress. His #16 is nothing more than a government memo/public service announcement.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

I would mostly agree. I think he meant to be encouraging (or I hope he did), but I would say even "secular people" (stealing his terminology) can still have good morals. I don't think it would take a law for you to know killing little kids is wrong, whether you are Christian, Buddhist, Atheist or Agnostic. It's common sense.

"Do not kill, to not rape, do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace" - Boondock Saints

Can?

We do.

[Nash B.]

Can?

We do.

Not all of you!

[Chas_svo]

Wouldn't those EOs land him and several in his administration in prison?

Oh yeah, laws are for us little people.

[racrguy]

Can?

We do.

Demonstrably so.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

Not all of you!

Demonstrably so.

[motoman]

Response from NRA.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/statement-from-the-national-rifle-association-of-america.aspx

Fairfax, Va. – Throughout its history, the National Rifle Association has led efforts to promote safety and responsible gun ownership. Keeping our children and society safe remains our top priority.

The NRA will continue to focus on keeping our children safe and securing our schools, fixing our broken mental health system, and prosecuting violent criminals to the fullest extent of the law. We look forward to working with Congress on a bi-partisan basis to find real solutions to protecting America’s most valuable asset – our children.

Attacking firearms and ignoring children is not a solution to the crisis we face as a nation. Only honest, law-abiding gun owners will be affected and our children will remain vulnerable to the inevitability of more tragedy.

[Baba Ganoush]

If any of this passes, it will merely make crimes out of activities that should be legal, and only increase the size of the illegal and unregistered firearm market. What a cluster-fuck.

People will still get guns, laws won't stop it. It only allows for more government in private, law abiding citizens' lives.