interesting sandy hook video i saw on facebook

[jasone]

If he had an AR why would he have tried to buy one earlier that week? I think he used the pistols like was reported by people at the scene first. I'm willing to bet he didn't have an AR period, just the pistols and the saiga 12 in the trunk.

Didn't he steal the ar from his mom the day it happened? And didn't the medical examiner say that most if not all of the shots that killed the kids he examined came from a long gun. Meaning a rifle right?

If it is a conspiracy it is a really sloppy one. All the medical examiners have to be in on it plus the local police department and the crime scene investigators and the media.

If he had two handguns and a saiga, why would you not bring the saiga in with you? The only reason I would leave the shotgun is if I already was carrying a long gun and had to choose between the ar and the shotgun.

[Aceman85turbo]

where were the six hundred kids on the news? I didn't see a single kid in any footage on any network.

[STANGGT40]

Didn't he steal the ar from his mom the day it happened? And didn't the medical examiner say that most if not all of the shots that killed the kids he examined came from a long gun. Meaning a rifle right?

If it is a conspiracy it is a really sloppy one. All the medical examiners have to be in on it plus the local police department and the crime scene investigators and the media.

If he had two handguns and a saiga, why would you not bring the saiga in with you? The only reason I would leave the shotgun is if I already was carrying a long gun and had to choose between the ar and the shotgun.

I don't know what was in his trunk, but msnbc has even reported that 4-handguns were found and nothing else. An AR15 wasn't even involved. That medical examiner looked and sounded like a complete loon...it's not too surprising that he was off base...

[jasone]

I don't know what was in his trunk, but msnbc has even reported that 4-handguns were found and nothing else. An AR15 wasn't even involved. That medical examiner looked and sounded like a complete loon...it's not too surprising that he was off base...

Yeah there have been many conflicting reports as to what guns were found or used. I have heard 4 hand guns, 2 hand guns, 2 hand guns and a rifle, 2 hand guns and a rifle but the rifle was in the trunk, 2 hand guns and a rifle and a shotgun in the trunk. That seems like shitty reporting not a conspiracy to me.

[bcoop]

I'm with Jason. This is shitty reporting, not a conspiracy. Some of you folks really are off your fucking rockers.

I'm interested to hear more what CJ thinks. Would be awful hypocritical to believe this is a conspiracy, with things he has said in the past.

[SEB]

I think Uncle Sam knows the shit is about to hit the fan in this country & wants to disarm the citzens of this country from Assault weapons to prevent us from ever putting up a decent fight if the nation ever does fight back & this is the first step.

I hope this isnt all made up by our goverment. But my gut tells me there is something bigger going on in this country

[BradM]

I agree with shitty jump the gun "we reported it first" reporting. I'm guessing the 4 handguns statement was an assumption on hearing 4 guns. 2 handguns and rifle in the school, another long gun in the trunk. Confusion on seeing the other long gun in the trunk, led to AR was in the trunk.

[SS Junk]

The only thing that throws me are the father's expressions. There is not one thing that is right about the kind of smiling he was doing before making his statement.

[stevo]

I haven't seen many people, if any, that have outright called this a false flag or a conspiracy, just a lot of people pointing out things that re not consistent, and many of those things have nothing to do with shitty reporting. A lot of things that have been quietly ignored or chalked up to some folks "really being off their fucking rockers".

Stevo

[Vertnut]

There are a few things that bother me, but with the technology out there (and available to about anyone) dubbing/editing a video is pretty feasible. Damn near an entire town would need to be involved to pull it off. Anyone with a 6-year-old would know how difficult that would be.

[KBScobravert]

The only thing that throws me are the father's expressions. There is not one thing that is right about the kind of smiling he was doing before making his statement.

I watched it several times in shock that any parent could act that way a day after such a loss. The family photo is a little disturbing too.

I also don't get the lack of emergency responder vehicles in the vicinity of the school's building.

[bcoop]

The only thing that throws me are the father's expressions. There is not one thing that is right about the kind of smiling he was doing before making his statement.

Everyone grieves differently, who are you to judge the reaction of his loss?

[Mike]

Is this a repost?

First off I want to note - the main contributor of information in this video and around this conspiracy is Alex Jones. He is, in my opinion, a paranoid nutjob, as was pretty evident by his CNN interview - seriously skip to 3 minutes in and tell me this guy is sane. (My intent here is not ad hominem, just wanted to give some context as to the presenters of these "facts" and their origins) Now that that's out of the way let's look at the content of the video...

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.
The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles clearing up the discrepancies: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us...uns/index.html

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of fond memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emillie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Check out their noses in this picture for further evidence: http://i.imgur.com/iSuf4.jpg

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):

http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd#1

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/1...led-85094.html

Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well shit, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.
Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17
In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):

http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDe...CCCDCE83CDCACA

These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

Other stuff: The people that made this video clearly have their own agenda, which is why they keep bringing up 9/11 and the London bombings (two completely unrelated events). Any time a large, tragic event occurs, many of these conspiracy theorists do their best to gather all of the media reports, then pick and choose to take the media out of context and create their own crazy conspiracy driven narrative for the events that took place. If you are skeptical of this video, you should be. It's crap.

http://pastebin.com/jmukjp8y

[stevo]

Is this a repost?



http://pastebin.com/jmukjp8y

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of fond memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

While I would usually agree, it was obvious the guy had to "get into character". If his actions were just a different method of grieving, I would think he wouldn't have had to change or hide the appearance or method of his grieving just because he was going on camera.

Stevo

[Nash B.]

Is this a repost?



http://pastebin.com/jmukjp8y

Sweet, now I have confirmation from a person on the Internet that my suspicions that the words of another person on the Internet are valid.

While I would usually agree, it was obvious the guy had to "get into character". If his actions were just a different method of grieving, I would think he wouldn't have had to change or hide the appearance or method of his grieving just because he was going on camera.

Stevo

Yeah, I'm sure nobody would think it odd if he went on camera smiling and laughing and not appearing shaken by just having lost his daughter.