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  • Are class action lawsuits good for anyone...

    Other than the attorneys handling the case?

    I mean, obviously there is a punitive aspect to class action lawsuits, and although the "defendants" may lose, who really wins other than the lawyers that brought the suit?

    I am probably just a little irritated because of a story I came across on AOL:



    Ford Sued Over Fuel Economy Claims

    As the latest company to face legal action, Ford too could end up paying consumers

    Ford Motor Co. is the latest car maker to face criticism and litigation over allegedly false advertising claims about fuel economy ratings.

    The Dearborn, Mich., automaker faces a federal lawsuit charging the new C-Max and Fusion hybrids vehicles fail to deliver promised fuel economy claims.

    Ford's 2013 C-Max Hybrid, an all new brand Ford hopes will challenge Toyota's Prius, and the Fusion Hybrid mid-sized sedan are EPA rated at 47 mpg city/47 highway/47 combined. But the lawsuit seeking class-action status, filed in U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of California, says Ford's marketing campaign touting the vehicles' fuel economy is "false and misleading."

    The plaintiff, Richard Pitkin of Roseville, Calif., wants Ford to reimburse him and other owners the purchase price and rescind sales of vehicles purchased in California.

    A Ford spokesperson said the company is aware of the suit, but added that the company cannot comment on pending litigation.

    The suit was filed by law firm McCuneWright in Redlands, Calif., which also recently sued Korean carmakers Hyundai and Kia over false mileage claims. Those companies recently agreed to reimburse consumers who bought the vehicles named in the suit.

    The lawyers and plaintiff have a powerful ally in Consumer Reports Magazine. The C-Max Hybrid's real-world mileage is 37 mpg, or around 21 percent lower than Ford's claims, while the Fusion Hybrid came up 8 mpg short at 39 mpg, Consumer Reports magazine said this month after conducting initial road tests of the models.

    The influential magazine said the C-Max Hybrid and Fusion Hybrid have the largest discrepancy between "our overall mpg results and the estimates published by the EPA that we've seen among any current models."

    "Among current models, more than 80 percent of the vehicles we've tested are within 2 mpg," the magazine wrote.

    Ford officials have confirmed it is talking with the EPA about how it tests fuel economy performance. And the EPA is reviewing Consumer Reports' findings.

    Last month, Hyundai and Kia admitted to selling more than 900,000 U.S. vehicles with overstated fuel economy ratings in the 2011-13 model years. The two companies, which share ownership in Korea, as well as engineering resources, said they will lower the fuel economy estimates on most of their 2012 and 2013 models.

    It is a big blow to both Hyundai/Kia and Ford to have their MPG claims challenged. Both companies have said over the last few years that class leading fuel economy equates to overall perception of quality in the minds of consumers. Hyundai is now retracting a claim that it leads the industry with four models that get 40 mpg in highway driving. The estimated highway fuel economy of most 2013 Accent, Veloster and Elantra models will fall to 37 or 38 mpg.


    With the adjustments, neither company will market a model that achieves 40 mpg or more on the highway as previously advertised.
    My ire stems from the bolded section.. This law firm has already successfully sued Kia and Hyundai and now has moved on to Ford.. I am quite sure that if they win with Ford they will then move on down the line to the rest.

    We all see the commercials on TV: "Did you take X medication and suffer complications? The Screw You Over Law firm wants to hear from you!"

    Seems like the lawyers see an easy claim to file, then go out to solicit clients with promises of "found money". IMO they are just getting rich at the expense of everyone else. Ultimately, when a company like Ford pays out on a big claim, the consumers buying their product are the ones that are going to pay for it. And the plantiffs are going to end up with some nominal amount.

    Don't get me wrong, I understand that some of these are definitely warranted, it just seems to me that the shady deals are becoming the majority.

    What are your thoughts?

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    I had hernia surgery a few months back and i keep getting emails about class action lawsuits. No idea how they got my email or know how I had surgery.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 2011GT View Post
      I had hernia surgery a few months back and i keep getting emails about class action lawsuits. No idea how they got my email or know how I had surgery.
      During discovery the doctor was probably required to provide patient lists and details.

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      • #4
        Good...quit bullshitting people claiming you get better mileage than you do

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        • #5
          I'll admit that I don't know how the EPA estimates are derived, but I assume the EPA performs a standardized and impartial test to determine the mileage estimates. With that said, why aren't they suing the EPA instead of Ford?
          - Darrell

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
            Good...quit bullshitting people claiming you get better mileage than you do
            That or stop killing people with defective drugs and products.




            To the OP: It's a double edge sword. If you got a legitimate claim against a large company they will tell you to get fucked and sue us. If you hire joe blow ambulance chaser attorney at law they will fuck you over so bad it ain't funny. All you are left with is these mega law firms that specialize in these large cases. Like all things in life you have the good and the bad. Some of these slim balls want 45% to 55% plus court cost. The victim is left with pretty much nothing. Of course there are still some good law firms out there that will stand up and fight for a fair amount.

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            • #7
              It's the typical old "sue for a billion, settle for a million" tactic. The car makers don't want the bad press, so they'll make it go away.

              That being said, my Focus gets no less than what it was rated at, and most of the time it gets better. Further proof that hybrids are for suckers.
              "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by helosailor View Post
                It's the typical old "sue for a billion, settle for a million" tactic. The car makers don't want the bad press, so they'll make it go away.

                That being said, my Focus gets no less than what it was rated at, and most of the time it gets better. Further proof that hybrids are for suckers.
                Amen to that. I always tell folks the 6k to 10k more they pay for a hybrid sure will buy alot of gas.

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                • #9
                  And when you factor in the life of batteries and 1/2 of the cost of the car being the replacement of the batteries that you have to change out every 5 years, so are electric ones
                  I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                  • #10
                    And what do you do with the batteries once they go bad? You cannot just throw them out according to the EPA but the obama administration is pushing for hybrids. Just sweep that fact under the rug. I rented a Nissan Versa in California and they kept pushing me to update to a Prius for another $10 a day. On the trip to Oregon I got 49 miles per gallon and that was with the hills and mountains. This was your standard gas engine (several times I didn't know if we would make it up a hill but we always did, car is a POS by the way) and I got better mileage than a Prius.

                    And to answer your question I cannot think of a single class action lawsuit where the lawyers did not benefit the most. Most lawyers are weasels but there are a few out there for the people.

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                    • #11
                      Generally speaking though, most individuals have no recourse against huge organizations. I mean, we can all sue them but they have huge amounts of lawyers on the payroll and most of us have limited funds to throw at a company.

                      Even if 1 person did have a ton of cash - it's not cost effective to sue for the minor return an individual would get. (...and time wasted...etc)

                      Granted, the lawyers do make a hefty profit but there is a lot that they put into it as well. Whatever group initiates the lawsuit knows the deal going into it and ..

                      1. If it gets the company some bad publicity that...
                      2. Makes them be a little more realistic and/or fixes the problem

                      ...great.

                      I understand 110% where you're coming from though. Lawyers overall have broken our court/judicial system in my opinion. However, as it stands now it seems like these sort of circus shows are the only way to defeat the large organizations.

                      Also, I find these completely different than frivolous (sp?) lawsuits.

                      I'd MUCH rather see people do some research and not buy their products. To me that is the American way of screwing them. Both of my new vehicles I did research and figured out who fudged their MPG numbers, who were spot on and who may under estimate them. I chose both vehicles based off that information along with the 101 other aspects you look at when buying a car.

                      I do that from being screwed before from more than just Ford. Nothing ticks me off more than doing under the speed limit, on highway trips to meet some mythical MPG rating and still falling short 2-4 MPG.
                      Originally posted by MR EDD
                      U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                      • #12
                        Law suits over MPG crack me up. I would bet nobody drives the same way the manufacters come up with the figures. Is the test realistic? NO. Its not the same as driving on LBJ in rush hour, or driving 75mph on highway. There is a fine art of getting MPG and the current sue happy public does not care.

                        I lost all faith in lawyers when I was charged by a lawyer for an email. .3 of an hour to do an email at 275$ per hour. Must be a slow typer.
                        Some cars and a bike...

                        Some say... they have been raced, some a lot

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                        • #13
                          I have a crisp $100 that says they NEVER go after GM and their rediculous VOLT. Their commercials make me want to kick puppies with the b.s. "I haven't filled up in over a month and forgot how to put gas in a car" bullshit.
                          Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SC457A View Post
                            Law suits over MPG crack me up. I would bet nobody drives the same way the manufacters come up with the figures. Is the test realistic? NO. Its not the same as driving on LBJ in rush hour, or driving 75mph on highway. There is a fine art of getting MPG and the current sue happy public does not care.

                            I lost all faith in lawyers when I was charged by a lawyer for an email. .3 of an hour to do an email at 275$ per hour. Must be a slow typer.
                            Nothing in life is free, lawyers will never do class action by the hr either. ITs a percentage. anywhere from 30-60% of settlement.

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                            • #15
                              It probably works our great for the attorney, while everyone else gets a fat check for $1.78.

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