Gun Control Solutions

[Silverback]

As you know kids would overpower the teachers.

I don't, but I'm covering scenarios in which one accident would debunk the whole system.

Also this locked desk and biometric safe would have saved exactly zero lives in this scenario. The teacher never would have made it to the gun in time.

[Forever_frost]

Yes because you know that.

Just as you know that these elementary kids would somehow band together like Lord of the Flies and swarm the teacher, render her unconscious, drag her body to her desk, raid her pockets for keys, then use her hand to open a biometric safe and then take the weapon, load it and THEN start shooting, all the while the rest of the class remains calm and no one hears anything at all.

You watch too many movies

[Forever_frost]

I don't, but I'm covering scenarios in which one accident would debunk the whole system.

Also this locked desk and biometric safe would have saved exactly zero lives in this scenario. The teacher never would have made it to the gun in time.

Maybe not in this instance, however Columbine and Virginia Tech? Absolutely would. And a teacher concealed carrying would have absolutely stopped him. He shot 6 adults. If even one of them were carrying, lives would have been saved.

[Silverback]

I'm not saying it's an everyday occurance, but crazier shit has happened

You act as though a couple of kids couldn't overpower a 70 year old teacher while the rest of the class cowered in fear.

[mikec]

Anything is possible.

I jut find it hard to believe that if at least one of the teachers in the surrounding classrooms had been armed that this tragedy couldn't have been averted, at least in part.

[Silverback]

Maybe not in this instance, however Columbine and Virginia Tech? Absolutely would. And a teacher concealed carrying would have absolutely stopped him. He shot 6 adults. If even one of them were carrying, lives would have been saved.

And you missed the part where I said I'm all for teachers with a chl being allowed to carry. It's the idea of putting a gun in every classroom due to a few freak occurrences is not a viable solution in my mind.

[Forever_frost]

I'm not saying it's an everyday occurance, but crazier shit has happened

You act as though a couple of kids couldn't overpower a 70 year old teacher while the rest of the class cowered in fear.

I'm saying it's highly unlikely. And there are less and less 70 year old teachers every day with most being fairly young and more and more are male. That fragile old lady? You don't know if she didn't work in a machine shop in WW2 and is a lifetime NRA member and can cut the center of the target out at 100 meters.

You act as if your possibility is likely. Hell, you want to get into possibilities, mount motion activated sentry guns in every class and anytime someone comes within a foot of the teacher's desk, it's activated. Or keyed to the teacher's voice. Fuck, I can come up with millions of possibilities. Also if you put an armed infantryman in every class in Sape plate armor, you are going to have a safer school.

[Silverback]

Anything is possible.

I jut find it hard to believe that if at least one of the teachers in the surrounding classrooms had been armed that this tragedy couldn't have been averted, at least in part.

How so? He was mentally out of it, he didn't make a rational decision. He entered a classroom he shot his mother, a bunch if kids and then offed himself.

[Forever_frost]

And you missed the part where I said I'm all for teachers with a chl being allowed to carry. It's the idea of putting a gun in every classroom due to a few freak occurrences is not a viable solution in my mind.

And enacting more gun control laws and still forbidding those who are licensed to carry to protect themselves in school is not a viable solution

[mikec]

How so? He was mentally out of it, he didn't make a rational decision. He entered a classroom he shot his mother, a bunch if kids and then offed himself.

Had a teacher in a nearby classroom been armed, at the sound of the first shot, the outcome could have been definitively changed is my muse.

Fuck that guy and his mental state. He needed to be put down like a rabid animal. The gun free zone made certain that did not happen.

[Silverback]

I'm not for more gun control laws, where have I ever stated so.

[BMCSean]

I'm not for more gun control laws, where have I ever stated so.

In every post you have ever made, duh.

[Silverback]

In every post you have ever made, duh.

Oh, there!

[Shorty]

EDIT: You know what really bugs me about this whole thing? The idea that we need to be protected from every percieved threat. Not just this, but any threat anywhere. I think it's bullshit. We're not fucking cattle. We don't need to be herded around by shepherds we put in place over ourselves. We should face life head on, and embrace its challenges.

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[John -- '02 HAWK]

Absolutely. The mother should not have been allowed to have any weapons in her house at all since she had an autistic child.

you missed the point about being a threat to others.

You also missed the point about having access. That doesnt mean you cant have them in the household, that just means it has to be stored in such a way that only authorized persons can get access.