Gun Control Solutions

[LS1Goat]

Such a simple solution to a complex problem.

[Mach1]

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) on Sunday said he wished the principal of Sandy Hook Elementary had been armed so she could have protected the school when a gunman burst in and started spraying bullets.

“I wish to God she had had an M4 in her office locked up so when she heard gunfire she pulls it out and she didn’t have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands, when she takes him out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids,” Gohmert said on “Fox News Sunday.”

The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, has been credited with running into the hallway toward the shooter once the gunfire sounded at the Newtown, Conn. school. Twenty-six people, including Hochsprung and 20 children, were shot dead.

With a renewed nationwide debate over gun control in the wake of the tragedy, Gohmert said “every mass killing of more than three people in recent history has been in a place where guns were prohibited, except for one…they know no one will be armed.”

Asked by host Chris Wallace why the average person needs access to “weapons created for law enforcement,” Gohmert said it goes back to the country’s founding.

“For the reason that George Washington said, a free people should be an armed people,” Gohmert said. “It ensures against the tyranny of the government if they know that the biggest army is the American people, then you don’t have the tyranny that came from King George.”

Gohmert asked, “once you start drawing the line, where do you stop?”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gop-rep-i-wish-elementary-principal-had-an-m4-in-her-office-takes-his-head-off-before-he-can-kill-those-precious-kids/

Wow, someone has it right....

[John -- '02 HAWK]

I would hope that the police and a mental health expert approaching the household where a loved one has been deemed a threat to to society will inspire the household to listen to the officials, and take responsibility for the public's safety. This isnt the swat team, this isnt anything more than a a wellness and educational awareness for the household. It may also introduce some venues of help that the household may not be aware of. It _may _ also be a way for the police to view the individual before any event, and allow the faceless police to become humanized. which in itself could possibly prevent any event

You are correct you have the right to privacy when it doesnt involve immanent danger. If you dont want the police in your house then maybe they have to use alternative methods to warn of the threat coming from your household. Such as approaching the neighborhood, or advising the local media, I bet most wont like that publicity. Maybe the police advise the household that if the person does commit a crime then those in household become an accomplice to what ever crimes are committed, due to the household's negligence.

again we are talking about somebody that two mental health professionals feel has become a danger to society. I wouldnt expect this to be anything more than a couple times in a year type of event as the actions would have to be started by mental health official or a councilor.

This isnt done to every gun owner, this isnt meant to be a gun grab, its meant to be preventive, and while it wont stop all gun crime it could stop some of the more senseless gun crime

Here my challenge to those dont like this come up with your own solution to address mental health and availability of fire arms to those individuals (and do it with in a week). Because in 2013 the popular alternative is most likely an AWB , a 'hi cap' mag ban, and possibly a ban on 'military' cal ammo sales to civilians.

[Forever_frost]

You mean you hope the legal gun owners in the house will be cowed by invaders looking to steal from them. Where do you find the authority for anyone to enter my home and check on anything? If you would like to put faces on those police, I can give you news report after report of police mowing down gun owners and home owners who did nothing wrong.

So because I won't let them in, they're going to go tell my neighbors and the NEWS about some BS they think they know about me and slander my name and my standing in the community? Can you say lawsuit?

Do you know how easy it is to get any two shrinks to agree to anything? The DSM 4 is a joke and the DSM 5 is even worse. Everyone can be seen as a threat. Ever been sad? Angry? Danger to yourself and others. This is from someone with severe PTSD and anxiety and hasn't harmed anyone but has been told I may. Who are you to tell me I have to give up a right I fought and bled for? And who is going to pay for these shrinks to see everyone and police to go door to door?

Alternative? The states open up mental health clinics and allow family members to commit their own. No shrinks or police invading your home. No shootouts because I'm seeing Hadji comign through a door. Government is not the answer. Some of us will not disarm when we've done nothing wrong. I've already fought against a tyranical dictator who wanted to enslave his people. I have no problem doing it again.

I hope you're one of the first that go into someone's home telling them you're confiscating their weapons because they MAY do something at some point in the future because some shrinks said so. Fuck that. Fuck you. Come get some.

And you say this isn't a ban and won't be EVERY house? Right, and TSA is meant to only be at the airport, the income tax was meant to be a tax on the 1% at 7% max. The president is MEANT to have limited powers, the federal government is MEANT to be limited by the enumerated powers. You give them ANY power, they run with it.

Government can't seem to figure out how to deport 11 million illegals and you're thinking you're going to send them to 80 million households with 200 million firearms? Idiot.

[Jester]

You mean you hope the legal gun owners in the house will be cowed by invaders looking to steal from them. Where do you find the authority for anyone to enter my home and check on anything? If you would like to put faces on those police, I can give you news report after report of police mowing down gun owners and home owners who did nothing wrong.

So because I won't let them in, they're going to go tell my neighbors and the NEWS about some BS they think they know about me and slander my name and my standing in the community? Can you say lawsuit?

Do you know how easy it is to get any two shrinks to agree to anything? The DSM 4 is a joke and the DSM 5 is even worse. Everyone can be seen as a threat. Ever been sad? Angry? Danger to yourself and others. This is from someone with severe PTSD and anxiety and hasn't harmed anyone but has been told I may. Who are you to tell me I have to give up a right I fought and bled for? And who is going to pay for these shrinks to see everyone and police to go door to door?

Alternative? The states open up mental health clinics and allow family members to commit their own. No shrinks or police invading your home. No shootouts because I'm seeing Hadji comign through a door. Government is not the answer. Some of us will not disarm when we've done nothing wrong. I've already fought against a tyranical dictator who wanted to enslave his people. I have no problem doing it again.

I hope you're one of the first that go into someone's home telling them you're confiscating their weapons because they MAY do something at some point in the future because some shrinks said so. Fuck that. Fuck you. Come get some.

And you say this isn't a ban and won't be EVERY house? Right, and TSA is meant to only be at the airport, the income tax was meant to be a tax on the 1% at 7% max. The president is MEANT to have limited powers, the federal government is MEANT to be limited by the enumerated powers. You give them ANY power, they run with it.

Government can't seem to figure out how to deport 11 million illegals and you're thinking you're going to send them to 80 million households with 200 million firearms? Idiot.

well said

[TEAMJACOB]

Now that a few days have passed and things have had time to sink in, I think I have a better assessment of how I feel. I WANT a special law or sanction or and amendment passed that would prevent innocent little 6 and 7 year olds from ever getting murdered like this again. Unfortunately, this is the real world and not some fairy tale. There isn't a god damn thing that can be done to stop these sons of bitches like this. Any laws or bans passed will only infringe on good anerican's civil rights and at BEST, simply alter the who, how, when, and where. Evil men will do there evil.

[LANTIRN]

You mean you hope the legal gun owners in the house will be cowed by invaders looking to steal from them. Where do you find the authority for anyone to enter my home and check on anything? If you would like to put faces on those police, I can give you news report after report of police mowing down gun owners and home owners who did nothing wrong.

So because I won't let them in, they're going to go tell my neighbors and the NEWS about some BS they think they know about me and slander my name and my standing in the community? Can you say lawsuit?

Do you know how easy it is to get any two shrinks to agree to anything? The DSM 4 is a joke and the DSM 5 is even worse. Everyone can be seen as a threat. Ever been sad? Angry? Danger to yourself and others. This is from someone with severe PTSD and anxiety and hasn't harmed anyone but has been told I may. Who are you to tell me I have to give up a right I fought and bled for? And who is going to pay for these shrinks to see everyone and police to go door to door?

Alternative? The states open up mental health clinics and allow family members to commit their own. No shrinks or police invading your home. No shootouts because I'm seeing Hadji comign through a door. Government is not the answer. Some of us will not disarm when we've done nothing wrong. I've already fought against a tyranical dictator who wanted to enslave his people. I have no problem doing it again.

I hope you're one of the first that go into someone's home telling them you're confiscating their weapons because they MAY do something at some point in the future because some shrinks said so. Fuck that. Fuck you. Come get some.

And you say this isn't a ban and won't be EVERY house? Right, and TSA is meant to only be at the airport, the income tax was meant to be a tax on the 1% at 7% max. The president is MEANT to have limited powers, the federal government is MEANT to be limited by the enumerated powers. You give them ANY power, they run with it.

Government can't seem to figure out how to deport 11 million illegals and you're thinking you're going to send them to 80 million households with 200 million firearms? Idiot.

I think that pretty well sums it up.

[mikec]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a slam dunk of a post.

[Forever_frost]

Fucking pre-crime liberal assholes telling me I can't exercise my rights because somehow they can see that somewhere in the future I may shoot someone for some reason. Could be perfectly justified such as a home invasion, but dammit, they can't have that. You know what? With no background checks, I can go into Tractor Supply and buy a Weedeater with a brush hog attachment, walk into a kindergarden or nursery and go buzzsaw on them. Will I? Fuck no.

Or I could take a truck full of propane tanks and flares and blow the whole thing up. Total cost is less than that of an AR and there is no background check. Or I could rent a fucking plane and fly it into a building. Or take fertilizer and diesel and a U-Haul. You're not preventing someone from killing someone who wants to do it. By arming teachers, you're at least giving those in the school a chance.

[Trip McNeely]

Boosh x eleventy billion.

[JC316]

Fucking pre-crime liberal assholes telling me I can't exercise my rights because somehow they can see that somewhere in the future I may shoot someone for some reason. Could be perfectly justified such as a home invasion, but dammit, they can't have that. You know what? With no background checks, I can go into Tractor Supply and buy a Weedeater with a brush hog attachment, walk into a kindergarden or nursery and go buzzsaw on them. Will I? Fuck no.

Or I could take a truck full of propane tanks and flares and blow the whole thing up. Total cost is less than that of an AR and there is no background check. Or I could rent a fucking plane and fly it into a building. Or take fertilizer and diesel and a U-Haul. You're not preventing someone from killing someone who wants to do it. By arming teachers, you're at least giving those in the school a chance.

[runin90lx]

http://drivelanddope.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/a-conversation-with-an-assault-rifle-hater/

December 17, 2012

“Ladies and gentlemen: the story you are about to hear is true. Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.”

I hijacked a friends Facebook post tonight (I’m good at that) involving someone saying there is no need for so-called “assault rifles”. It went something like this…

Post: If you’re anti-gun, and more specifically… if think, Semi-Automatic “Assault-Rifles” should be banned; because well… our country can no longer stand to have another mass shooting by someone who is “mentally unstable”.
Then I would also challenge you speak up and have CAMERAS banned as well!

Every year thousands of children are victims of Child Pornography, yet we don’t call for a ban on cameras? After all, it’s not the camera “shooting” the child; it’s the mentally sick person.

Please! I ask each of you to put some serious thought toward what the real problems are before you simply just of the bandwagon for more gun control!

GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM… PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM!

Commentor: Interesting point, there are many very positive uses for cameras. Can you give me an example of a positive reason that anyone should own a semi automatic assault rifle? Not guns generally, but specifically this type of gun? Agreeing to disagree with you.

Me: You want someone like me and my rifle to be between you and someone with violent intentions. That is the best reason.

Commentor: But does it have to be a semi automatic assault rifle to offer the protection you are speaking of? I feel like my point is being lost.

Me: It absolutely must be the best, most capable tool available. Is your life not worth that?

Your point is not lost. Would you purchase a car with inferior safety systems? Or maybe a house with flimsy door locks? Would you enter a NASCAR race with a Prius? I want the best.

This isn’t simply an argument about “need” either. No one needs nice, fancy, name brand clothes. They only need clothes. People simply need basic nutrition, not gourmet food. A small shed is plenty for shelter from the weather, yet we have large houses. We don’t need 220 TV channels. We can’t even watch them all, yet we have them. Most cars can go twice the speed limit, we don’t need that. We don’t need leather, navigation, butt warmers or any other cool stuff. We don’t even need cars. Think what the national obesity rate would be if everyone walked.

A person who is hellbent on killing people will use whatever tools they can get their hands on. Timothy McVeigh used 5000 lbs of fertilizer to kill 168 people, including 19 children at a daycare in Oklahoma City. A few gallons of gasoline and a match has the potential to bring a considerable death toll if used in the right place.

Some people are dark to their core. There is no law that can be passed to prevent them from committing horrendous acts if they are intent on doing them. We, the law abiding, good natured citizens are the ones who get penalized by reactionary laws. And it is our job to be vigilant and be able to intercept the bad ones when they try to do others harm. When the wolves come, don’t be the sheep, be the guard dog.

“Remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.”

Commentor: You are correct that there will always be people out there that commit horrendous crimes. I feel like our society makes it easier by making these powerful weapons so available. I guess we agree to disagree. You feel safer having these types of guns, I feel it causes potential for danger.

Me: When these types of guns are banned, ones that are not banned will be used in their place. Then you will want to ban them also. So let’s talk facts, not feelings, real, indisputable facts from the FBI Uniform Crime Data. According to their data for 2011, 323 people were murdered with rifles. 728 people were murdered with fists and feet. 1694 were stabbed. More people were murdered with a club or hammer, 496, than with rifles. Murder rates have been steadily going down. You are basing your judgment on perception and emotion, nothing more.

A potential for danger? I guess you should stay away from ladders (24,972 people died from falls) and swimming pools (3,517 people accidentally drown). You have the potential to die while using them. I wouldn’t drive either (36,219 died in motor vehicle accidents). And do not drink alcohol (24,518 people died from consuming too much). These stats are courtesy of the Centers for Disease Control.

I will not “agree to disagree”.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” John Adams

Commentor: Again lets agree to disagree. I will never agree or understand why anyone should own semi automatic assault rifles…..you could write a novel and you won’t change my thinking on this. I respect your opinion though.



I hate to call this person closed minded, but if the shoe fits…

[Forever_frost]

What high powered rifles are these idiots talking about? When was the last time someone was mowed down with a Barrett? We're talking about civilian rifles that fire once, and only fire a round that is slightly larger than a .22

[runin90lx]

Exactly!!

[Nash B.]

"I will never agree or understand why anyone should own semi automatic assault rifles…..you could write a novel and you won’t change my thinking on this. I respect your opinion though."

At least he admits it. Most won't.