Gun Control Solutions

[Broncojohnny]

I'm interested in ideas as well. But really I don't think there are any besides what Frost said, which was armed teachers or at least armed security at schools.

[YALE]

Properly, there is no gun violence problem. Violent crime has been tracking down for two decades, as the population has gone up. From 1993-2008, the total number of violent crimes reported went down 48%, while the population went up By 20%, meaning that per capita crimes actually went down by about 58%. Altering the entire country's laws because a sample group smaller than one one-millionth of the whole got killed is absurd. Statistically, there are way more important problems, but whatever, go back to sleep and listen to what the man on the tv box has to say.

[Forever_frost]

This couldn't have been prevented. He took his mother's weapons. Legally owned, kept in her home and she went through all the hoops to get them. He didn't. That's the catch. Criminals and those who want to hurt someone are going to bypass every check, every protection and kill someone.

[TEAMJACOB]

Properly, there is no gun violence problem. Violent crime has been tracking down for two decades, as the population has gone up. From 1993-2008, the total number of violent crimes reported went down 48%, while the population went up By 20%, meaning that per capita crimes actually went down by about 58%. Altering the entire country's laws because a sample group smaller than one one-millionth of the whole got killed is absurd. Statistically, there are way more important problems, but whatever, go back to sleep and listen to what the man on the tv box has to say.

bunch of babies were murdered. no big deal since it was a tiny percentage. You are absurd

[Silverback]

You're missing his point completely. The magnitude of this event while it is horrific doesn't skew the numbers. The level of derangement that it takes to act out in this fashion can't be explained. And no amount of 'gun control' at any level will keep the deranged from doing unfathomable things.

While I understand the desire to arm teachers, it in itself creates a greater problem, being access to weapons to children in the classroom.

The idea of armed security wouldn't have solved today's issue, but we had that at the high school I attended. Off duty armed police. Metal detectors at all common entrances of a school is another solution, but there are ways around that for unauthorized visitors.

As tragic as today's events were, I don't think there is a simple solution that solves what happened today

[Jester]

You're missing his point completely. The magnitude of this event while it is horrific doesn't skew the numbers. The level of derangement that it takes to act out in this fashion can't be explained. And no amount of 'gun control' at any level will keep the deranged from doing unfathomable things.

While I understand the desire to arm teachers, it in itself creates a greater problem, being access to weapons to children in the classroom.

The idea of armed security wouldn't have solved today's issue, but we had that at the high school I attended. Off duty armed police. Metal detectors at all common entrances of a school is another solution, but there are ways around that for unauthorized visitors.

As tragic as today's events were, I don't think there is a simple solution that solves what happened today

exactly......deranged people will always find deranged ways to harm others. outlaw every damned thing on the planet and you will find someone that will kill a handful of people with his teeth.

[TEAMJACOB]

You're missing his point completely. The magnitude of this event while it is horrific doesn't skew the numbers. The level of derangement that it takes to act out in this fashion can't be explained. And no amount of 'gun control' at any level will keep the deranged from doing unfathomable things.

While I understand the desire to arm teachers, it in itself creates a greater problem, being access to weapons to children in the classroom.

The idea of armed security wouldn't have solved today's issue, but we had that at the high school I attended. Off duty armed police. Metal detectors at all common entrances of a school is another solution, but there are ways around that for unauthorized visitors.

As tragic as today's events were, I don't think there is a simple solution that solves what happened today

I thought about the same issues with arming teachers. I see his point and it is valid. I'm most certainly involving too much emotion in my thought processes right now with a "there has to be a better way to prevent this type of stuff" attitude.

[Forever_frost]

Gun laws do not apply to those who are going to commit murder. Murder's already against the law and they have no problem with breaking those. Point is, nothing could have been done. The school had just put in new security measures and he bypassed them AFTER he killed his mother and took her weapons. Only thing that could have possibly reduced the body count was arming the teachers. That's it.

Take your emotion out of it. This is an anomaly and makes the case for less gun laws. Gun free zones are target rich environments where you are able to kill to your desires are fulfilled without worry of being fought back against.

[YALE]

bunch of babies were murdered. no big deal since it was a tiny percentage. You are absurd

I didn't say it wasn't a tragedy. It is. It doesn't affect the entire country though, so it doesn't need national level legislation. The politicians that would use this kind of tragedy to increat their power over you don't deserve your support, dude.

[Silverback]

exactly......deranged people will always find deranged ways to harm others. outlaw every damned thing on the planet and you will find someone that will kill a handful of people with his teeth.

While I understand human nature is to ask 'why would someone do this?' I can't help but wonder why people even try to understand things like this. People who get to this point aren't in their right mind, no amount of analyzing will fix what has happened, unfortunately.

The evils in this world will continue to do evil things, all we as a society can do is protect ourselves and our families to the best of our abilities, and hope that nothing this horrific ever happens to the ones we love.

[Jester]

While I understand human nature is to ask 'why would someone do this?' I can't help but wonder why people even try to understand things like this. People who get to this point aren't in their right mind, no amount of analyzing will fix what has happened, unfortunately.

The evils in this world will continue to do evil things, all we as a society can do is protect ourselves and our families to the best of our abilities, and hope that nothing this horrific ever happens to the ones we love.

exactly right. hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

[Silverback]

I really wish you were able to talk to your boys today Levi, I can only imagine after hearing about events like today, how hard it must be for a father who has limited contact with his children.

[TEAMJACOB]

I didn't say it wasn't a tragedy. It is. It doesn't affect the entire country though, so it doesn't need national level legislation. The politicians that would use this kind of tragedy to increat their power over you don't deserve your support, dude.

Thanks for your post. your statistics were dead on and I never knew that violent crime is in fact almost half where it was in the early 90s. I am not and have not ever advocated the banning of guns. If I was ever personally put into a situation that warranted action, I'd be fortunate to have my own weapon with me. I guess my concerns are more for how to protect those out there who cant or wont protect themselves.

[idrivea4banger]

You can pass all the legislations that you want, people will find ways to commit violent acts like the one that occurred today. Would arming every teacher solve this?? Maybe. But what happens when one of those teachers flips out? What happens when there's an accidental shooting?? Laws can't stop evil.

[Jester]

I really wish you were able to talk to your boys today Levi, I can only imagine after hearing about events like today, how hard it must be for a father who has limited contact with his children.

it's tough bro, that's for sure. i just pray that maybe she can find some peace in this world and let me talk to them. of not, sure enough i will have a lawyer work it out. just would rather do it nicely and give her/them the money than a lawyer.