Joseph Mcarthy

[David]

Wilkinson v. United States off the top of my head.

[Forever_frost]

That's not in the Constitution. Congress has 18 powers enumerated. Quote me the power granted by the Constitution.

[talisman]

No, it doesn't contradict post number 2. You are free to do as you like. You violate the constitution with your government takeover, you are committing a crime that the Constituiton calls for one punishment. Treason calls for death. Violating the Constitution is treason. This is really simple.

You violate our Supreme Law, you pay the Supreme Price.

Declaration of Independence disagrees with you.

[racrguy]

Buncha Glen Beck dopplegangers up in this motherfucker.

Frost, shut the fuck up about the constitution, clearly you don't know how it works.

[exlude]

No, it doesn't contradict post number 2. You are free to do as you like. You violate the constitution with your government takeover, you are committing a crime that the Constituiton calls for one punishment. Treason calls for death. Violating the Constitution is treason. This is really simple.

You violate our Supreme Law, you pay the Supreme Price.

Well that's quite different than "commies should be shot". So again, contradiction.

[YALE]

That's not in the Constitution. Congress has 18 powers enumerated. Quote me the power granted by the Constitution.

This constitution as an arbitrary an inescapable set of rules is absurd. Try again.

[Forever_frost]

This constitution as an arbitrary an inescapable set of rules is absurd. Try again.

It is as far as the federal government is concerned. Any power not expressly granted to the federal government belongs to the states and the people respectively. Congress has no subpena power that I am seeing in it's enumerated powers. How is following the Supreme Law of the land absurd?

[racrguy]

This constitution as an arbitrary an inescapable set of rules is absurd. Try again.

Dude, Yale. I've explained to him how the constitution works and shown it in the constitution, but he keeps on with his lines like he has.

[Forever_frost]

Dude, Yale. I've explained to him how the constitution works and shown it in the constitution, but he keeps on with his lines like he has.

Actually, you haven't. Show me Congressional subpena power over a private citizen

[racrguy]

Actually, you haven't. Show me Congressional subpena power over a private citizen

Supreme Court. As outlined in the constitution.

[YALE]

It is as far as the federal government is concerned. Any power not expressly granted to the federal government belongs to the states and the people respectively. Congress has no subpena power that I am seeing in it's enumerated powers. How is following the Supreme Law of the land absurd?

So let me get this straight: the constitution as it was drafted by the founding fathers is all you're willing to recognize, for the sake of this discussion? Everyone has to follow that exactly is what you're saying?

[Forever_frost]

Supreme Court. As outlined in the constitution.

Tell me where the SC has the authority to add power to the federal government. I can actually post it's powers if you like

[Forever_frost]

So let me get this straight: the constitution as it was drafted by the founding fathers is all you're willing to recognize, for the sake of this discussion? Everyone has to follow that exactly is what you're saying?

Short story? Yes. It's the supreme law. Long answer? The Constitution applies limits to the federal government while permitting states to do as they please. That is unless you buy into incorporation which would limit states and localities as well, putting a Constitutional straight jacket on every governmental body.

Enumerated powers:

Key Constitutional Grants
of Powers to Congress

Article I, Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

[YALE]

Tell me where the SC has the authority to add power to the federal government. I can actually post it's powers if you like

It has the right to rule on new laws being constitutional, just as congress has the right to enact new laws. It doesn't directly add powers to the federal government, but they can emerge as the SC rules on said new laws.

[Forever_frost]

Section 2 of Article Three of the United States Constitution outlines the jurisdiction of the federal courts of the United States:

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

The jurisdiction of the federal courts was further limited by the Eleventh Amendment to the United States Constitution, which forbade federal courts from hearing cases "commenced or prosecuted against [a State] by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State." However, states may waive this immunity, and Congress may abrogate the states' immunity in certain circumstances (see Sovereign immunity). In addition to constitutional constraints, Congress is authorized by Article III to regulate the court's appellate jurisdiction: for example, the federal courts may hear cases only if one or more of the following conditions are met:

diversity of citizenship (meaning, the parties are residents of two different states or countries, including foreign states[110]), plus a controversy of at least $75,000.[111]
If the case asks a federal question.[112]
If the United States federal government (including the Post Office[113]) is a party in the case.[114][115]