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  • #91
    This
    It also places restrictions that make it harder for some to obtain them.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by 4eyedwillie View Post
      This
      It also places restrictions that make it harder for some to obtain them.
      Yes, it does. It does not ban them, and the republicans do not run on that, or propose it.
      "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
      "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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      • #93
        Originally posted by big_tiger View Post
        Rubio / Rand Paul | Allan West
        All three of them are excellent choices however it will appear far too reactionary to start highlighting all the non-white republicans.

        Rand Paul is an interesting name because I truly think that in order for the GOP to survive is to ultimately become more libertarian overall.

        They need to stop harping on abortion and gay marriage.

        People are saying exactly what I thought they would say after the election. People are bringing up every non-white republican they can. I get it, the GOP doesn't resonate with the non-white population. However non-white republicans are not going to be embraced with open arms.

        The GOP needs to get real. Let's not start floating every ethnic name in the party. It won't work.

        There's been a fundamental shift and we are now living in a center left country.

        Obamacare is here to stay.

        The supreme court will almost certainly become more liberal in the next 4 years.

        Right now, the focus should be on House GOP leaders doing all they can to stymie the out of control spending. We should be looking to the 2014 mid terms with hopes of maintaining the house and hopefully gaining the senate majority. I doubt the latter happens.

        I really think that the GOP we all grew up with died on Tuesday. We have to reinvent the party while trying to maintain traditional values. It's an uphill battle to say the least.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by 4eyedwillie View Post
          Go back and reread my post, you know the part you highlighted? I said there were more, I didn't say how many more. And 2.3% is more.
          ...and go back and re-read my post where I said " I wouldn't call 2.3% too much more..." meaning, I acknowledged it was more, but by a very small margin.

          Stevo
          Originally posted by SSMAN
          ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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          • #95
            CAD424, What does color have to do with my selections? I was thinking of bold people that haven't been diluted by the GOP. I agree with they need to give up on abortion and gay marriage. That needs to be kept out of politics; personally I don't care.

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            • #96
              All this abortion talk, and you're all calling him an idiot and ignorant. I don't disagree with either, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think that is a major contributor as to why the GOP lost. Do *I* consider it one of the most important issues? No. Debt and spending are among the top issues in my opinion. But a huge portion of America does consider it a top issue, as evidenced in the election. I will say, the GOP only failed themselves by not making it a front page issue, and clarifying their stance. Had they done that, instead of remain relatively silent, things may have turned out differently. That isn't dumbdickwillie's fault. It's the fault of the GOP and campaign people.

              I think it was Stevo that asked someone if they were admitting that most voters are idiots. I don't know what he was admitting, but that is painfully obvious to me and millions of others, that most voters are idiots. Idiots are everywhere, and come from both sides. That's not a party issue. It's a misinformation issue, and an issue of being uneducated. What I've seen repeatedly in this thread is all of you people attacking everyone who doesn't toe the line. That's part of the issue. Adapt and overcome, or get left behind. I'm sure you'll all call me an idiot next, but what I said is undeniable. The GOP needs to adapt and overcome, or get left behind. The fact of the matter is that social issues are among top reasons why voters vote the way they do. You don't have to believe they are actually top issues. But the majority of America does. So to remain relevant, Republicans need to adapt, or they will become extinct in politics, and we will all be in a world of shit.

              Republicans need to stop clinging to religion so much. Believe in what you want, I don't care. And I don't think most people care, either. What they do care about, is that religion being shoved down their throats.
              Originally posted by BradM
              But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
              Originally posted by Leah
              In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by big_tiger View Post
                CAD424, What does color have to do with my selections? I was thinking of bold people that haven't been diluted by the GOP. I agree with they need to give up on abortion and gay marriage. That needs to be kept out of politics; personally I don't care.
                I already state that it's reactionary. I'm not necessarily targeting you. Turn on the radio and you'll hear the names Rubio, Cruz, Martinez, Haley, West, Jindal and Sandoval mentioned left and right.

                Those are some great republicans but lets not kid ourselves. Those names are being mentioned because non-whites voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

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                • #98
                  Cruz was my choice for Senator because Sadler was such a jackass. Jindal would be a good choice in my opinion because he brings both (relatively speaking) youth and intelligence into the party.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by The King View Post
                    Cruz was my choice for Senator because Sadler was such a jackass. Jindal would be a good choice in my opinion because he brings both (relatively speaking) youth and intelligence into the party.
                    Agree on both Cruz and Jindal. The GOP needs to proceed with caution in grooming the next candidate. I'm just pointing out that suddenly bringing every non-white republican into the presidential conversation is reactionary and won't work.

                    I think Jindal has been in that conversation for 4 years now. I predict he runs in 2016. Cruz is a charismatic conservative and a future leader in the GOP.

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                    • Originally posted by cad424 View Post
                      Agree on both Cruz and Jindal. The GOP needs to proceed with caution in grooming the next candidate. I'm just pointing out that suddenly bringing every non-white republican into the presidential conversation is reactionary and won't work.

                      I think Jindal has been in that conversation for 4 years now. I predict he runs in 2016. Cruz is a charismatic conservative and a future leader in the GOP.
                      Agreed

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                      • The GOP needs to do a better job of addressing the blue collar part of our society. The party needs to have new life from the top down.

                        While the Democratic party may not be to the liking of a very conservative crowd here in Texas, it is evident that the majority of this country got and likes the message that the Democratic party sent out during this election. Instead of reasoning why this happened, most here dismiss it as "those idiots".

                        This countries demographics have radically changed over the last 20 years. The GOP party has not done a very good job in aligning itself or catering to the struggle of said populous. Their platform has been relatively unchanged since Reagan.

                        As an ex football player my perception of the GOP is that they play defensively.
                        Fiscal conservatism is a tremendous plus for the party. Unfortunately the complexity of the system is lost on most of the changing demographics of this nation.

                        Solution: The GOP needs to widen its platform to include the demographics of this nation. It is clear by the red/blue voting results of Tuesday that both coasts and the borders have the higher populations of this country.

                        Like them or not the Democrats are/were successful in reaching their constituents with their message.

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                        • Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                          All this abortion talk, and you're all calling him an idiot and ignorant. I don't disagree with either, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think that is a major contributor as to why the GOP lost. Do *I* consider it one of the most important issues? No. Debt and spending are among the top issues in my opinion. But a huge portion of America does consider it a top issue, as evidenced in the election. I will say, the GOP only failed themselves by not making it a front page issue, and clarifying their stance. Had they done that, instead of remain relatively silent, things may have turned out differently. That isn't dumbdickwillie's fault. It's the fault of the GOP and campaign people.

                          I think it was Stevo that asked someone if they were admitting that most voters are idiots. I don't know what he was admitting, but that is painfully obvious to me and millions of others, that most voters are idiots. Idiots are everywhere, and come from both sides. That's not a party issue. It's a misinformation issue, and an issue of being uneducated. What I've seen repeatedly in this thread is all of you people attacking everyone who doesn't toe the line. That's part of the issue. Adapt and overcome, or get left behind. I'm sure you'll all call me an idiot next, but what I said is undeniable. The GOP needs to adapt and overcome, or get left behind. The fact of the matter is that social issues are among top reasons why voters vote the way they do. You don't have to believe they are actually top issues. But the majority of America does. So to remain relevant, Republicans need to adapt, or they will become extinct in politics, and we will all be in a world of shit.

                          Republicans need to stop clinging to religion so much. Believe in what you want, I don't care. And I don't think most people care, either. What they do care about, is that religion being shoved down their throats.
                          The problem with going more secular for the GOP is you lose a huge part of your base. But I agree with you, not staying on top of their message, and clarifying their stance is a huge problem. The democrats get to set the GOP's stance themselves. They tell women a bunch of BS, fake war on women, etc. and the GOP "takes the high road."
                          "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                          "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                          • Originally posted by cad424 View Post
                            Agree on both Cruz and Jindal. The GOP needs to proceed with caution in grooming the next candidate. I'm just pointing out that suddenly bringing every non-white republican into the presidential conversation is reactionary and won't work.

                            I think Jindal has been in that conversation for 4 years now. I predict he runs in 2016. Cruz is a charismatic conservative and a future leader in the GOP.
                            I like Jindal, but does anyone else remember his Republican concession speech from '08? I was really disappointed in his delivery (for lack of a better term). He didn't come across near as gritty as a Rubio or Rand Paul.

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                            • Originally posted by CJ View Post
                              The problem with going more secular for the GOP is you lose a huge part of your base.
                              Their base is already dwindling, and dying off. It's what they are going to have to do to appeal to young voters. The last 2 elections they've only alienated themselves.
                              Originally posted by BradM
                              But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                              Originally posted by Leah
                              In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                              • Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                                I like Jindal, but does anyone else remember his Republican concession speech from '08? I was really disappointed in his delivery (for lack of a better term). He didn't come across near as gritty as a Rubio or Rand Paul.
                                I'm assuming you're referring to his rebuttal to the state of the union, correct?

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