Unions blocking workers in NJ

[Forever_frost]

it's not michelle_p money but $46 an hour http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_d..._new_york_city

vs. alabamas $22 an hour http://www.gobuildalabama.com/trades/

starts to make a little more sense.. now when you put 6 guys in a truck and hotel room, there is money to be made.. especially when there in no work in alabama..

http://local3.com/

ya'll have to realize that this is what i do for a living, it is my livelihood, i know how the building trades work inside and out. if you think a non union guy walks around on ANY jobsite with his chin in the air trying to call shots you are sorely confused.. they are quiet keep to themselves and wont even look a union man in the eye.. oh and they pay for health care out of their own paychecks LOL

They keep their head down because they're there to do a job and earn a paycheck. And unions have a bad habit of killing, maiming and injuring people who aren't union and work in the same shop, destroying their vehicles and engaging in mafia tactics.

Argue I'm wrong.

[naynay]

it's not michelle_p money but $46 an hour http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_d..._new_york_city

vs. alabamas $22 an hour http://www.gobuildalabama.com/trades/

starts to make a little more sense.. now when you put 6 guys in a truck and hotel room, there is money to be made.. especially when there in no work in alabama..

http://local3.com/

ya'll have to realize that this is what i do for a living, it is my livelihood, i know how the building trades work inside and out. if you think a non union guy walks around on ANY jobsite with his chin in the air trying to call shots you are sorely confused.. they are quiet keep to themselves and wont even look a union man in the eye.. oh and they pay for health care out of their own paychecks LOL

[Forever_frost]

UA local 100 hasnt been on a strike since 1979.

i dunno the full story but those 'bama boys shoulda known better than to show up in a northern state thinking they were gonna get some of that cash cow. they werent going there to 'help out'. they were going there to get paid.

get your head outta your ass

I don't think "You're a fucking retard" quite cover your ass clownery. There's trolling and then there's being a fuck stick. You have taken a Biden leap over the line and humped Obama's leg on the other side

[Broncojohnny]

UA local 100 hasnt been on a strike since 1979.

i dunno the full story but those 'bama boys shoulda known better than to show up in a northern state thinking they were gonna get some of that cash cow. they werent going there to 'help out'. they were going there to get paid.

get your head outta your ass

Yea, I'm sure they drove 900 miles for the king's ransom to be made from fixing power lines. lmao

[naynay]

UA local 100 hasnt been on a strike since 1979.

i dunno the full story but those 'bama boys shoulda known better than to show up in a northern state thinking they were gonna get some of that cash cow. they werent going there to 'help out'. they were going there to get paid.

get your head outta your ass

[Forever_frost]

you most definitely can negotiate your own "package" even in the union (my union at least) you can work for one contractor for your entire 30 year career. alot of supervision are on salary, or "salary" that includes a guaranteed 40 hour week, 2 weeks vacation etc.. If you are worth it you will be compensated accordingly.

and fwiw 75% of our membership is ex-military who used to build 'shit' daily. Now they have a real skilled craft.

So they didn't have a 'real skilled craft' before joining a union? Is that what you're going with? I've yet to see a union that can outwork a free market worker. Why? Yall do bare minimum and strike. You won't see right to work people strike. They like getting paid and if they aren't happy, they can work elsewhere

Now tell me, what right does a union have to enter private property and interpose themselves between the property owner and those he employs?

[naynay]

This. Creating better cars, planes and everything else. Proof? Look at union anything versus the right to work equivalent. GM vs Toyota. Detroit vs Dallas.

i only know united association plumbers/pipefitters/steamfitters/boiler makers, etc. so we may be arguing the same point.. i dont even see the point of a teachers union let alone a jonitors union. and I grew up in detroit, i know the auto industry is worthless, BUT it puts food in a lot of families mouths. and a lot of people who came from very little with a little work and determination and at least some drive can make a decent living for themselves..

[naynay]

Fuck unions. They produce nothing.

Every one of those jobs can be done without a union, cheaper, better and more efficiently. Proof? Military isn't union and build shit daily. You see, you can't go to your employer and work out merit pay or a raise. You have to balance your skills with the laziest and most dumbfuck there. Unions don't allow individualism, it's uniformity. Fuck that.


I get paid. Fairly well as a matter of fact. No union required.

you most definitely can negotiate your own "package" even in the union (my union at least) you can work for one contractor for your entire 30 year career. alot of supervision are on salary, or "salary" that includes a guaranteed 40 hour week, 2 weeks vacation etc.. If you are worth it you will be compensated accordingly.

and fwiw 75% of our membership is ex-military who used to build 'shit' daily. Now they have a real skilled craft.

[Forever_frost]

There was a time when unions were useful, that was when there were major laws being broken and laborers being treated like shit. That was 50 years ago. I think with minimum wage, and all of the EEOC laws in effect today the unions have no bearing except to make people lazy and take advantage of the system. We aren't running sweat shops here, there's no need. If someone is qualified for a job they will get it, if they deserve a raise, they will get it. If they don't agree or don't like the job, then get a new one! Right to work > Union.

This. Creating better cars, planes and everything else. Proof? Look at union anything versus the right to work equivalent. GM vs Toyota. Detroit vs Dallas.

[Forever_frost]

how can you say that? the UA builds green buildings and clean rooms all across the country.. at least when you say unions explain if you are talking about qualified craftsmen, or janitors who decided to form a club..

you mean to tell me a millwright is a lazy sob who doesnt know what the fuck he/she is doing??

a boilermaker/steam fitter, is just a dense pud?

a high purity orbital welder is just a sock monkey with low standards? get real, and you can figure out how to get paid.

I'm saying you can't fire the lazy slobs because unions protect them. You can't have someone who finished a job clean their workstation on their own without the janitor getting pissed because you're taking 'union work' from him. Fuck unions. They produce nothing.

Every one of those jobs can be done without a union, cheaper, better and more efficiently. Proof? Military isn't union and build shit daily. You see, you can't go to your employer and work out merit pay or a raise. You have to balance your skills with the laziest and most dumbfuck there. Unions don't allow individualism, it's uniformity. Fuck that.


I get paid. Fairly well as a matter of fact. No union required.

[Trip McNeely]

There was a time when unions were useful, that was when there were major laws being broken and laborers being treated like shit. That was 50 years ago. I think with minimum wage, and all of the EEOC laws in effect today the unions have no bearing except to make people lazy and take advantage of the system. We aren't running sweat shops here, there's no need. If someone is qualified for a job they should get it, if they deserve a raise, they should get it. If they don't agree or don't like the job, then get a new one! Right to work > Union.

[naynay]

Unions don't want productivity or advancement. You had the horse carriage unions trying to stop cars being built because 'they were hurting our jobs.' Unions want more dues and more people and to hell with society and advancement

how can you say that? the UA builds green buildings and clean rooms all across the country.. at least when you say unions explain if you are talking about qualified craftsmen, or janitors who decided to form a club..

you mean to tell me a millwright is a lazy sob who doesnt know what the fuck he/she is doing??

a boilermaker/steam fitter, is just a dense pud?

a high purity orbital welder is just a sock monkey with low standards? get real, and you can figure out how to get paid.

[naynay]

What exactly makes a union member more qualified to do it right? College degrees? Oh, wait... Union members fuck more shit up than they fix.

dude.. my i have more liscenses and certifications than i even care to count. and it's stuff that OSHA would throw the book at you for doing without the certs

[naynay]

You sure are an ignorant son of a bitch...

Scab: a derogatory term used to describe a strike breaker

Is there a strike, or are you just trolling like normal.

i coulda said rat's but scabs sounds better..

you guys comparing automaker unions to the UA plumbers/pipefitters/steamfitters/boiler makers are very very confused if you think any of those trades are more skilled than someone who went through a 5 year apprenticeship.

I had the head of engineering for CBRE call me out of the blue from the TSBPE and i told him i was union and he said "well i know you probably know more than me, but i still know how to get the job done."

pay your roto-rooters to fix your toilets, thats what they get paid for. we get our 30-50/hr because we do what no one else can. (UA members, i could care less about any other labor union)

[naynay]

In my industry, the union laborers are generally the fucking laziest, most self-entitled, ignorant and useless wastes of space.

what's your industry? what local are they?