Unions blocking workers in NJ

[Vertnut]

Christie wrote it off as a misunderstanding but made it clear that if another 'misunderstanding' occurs, he's going to exert executive authority and fuck people up

His little "love fest" with Barry still sticks in my craw a little. It's OK to be respectful and cordial, but he went just a little too far for me. I mean, 1/4 of our great state went up in smoke and we got zip from that douche-bag.

[Forever_frost]

His little "love fest" with Barry still sticks in my craw a little. It's OK to be respectful and cordial, but he went just a little too far for me. I mean, 1/4 of our great state went up in smoke and we got zip from that douche-bag.

Yeah. Love how Obama took weeks to even look at the Tennessee floods, didn't care about the Texas wildfires and ignored the Ambassador and SEALS in Bengazi but dammit, when it's NYC and his voting block, the man is in the situation room talking about cutting red tape that he helped put in the first place

[Trip McNeely]

Yeah. Love how Obama took weeks to even look at the Tennessee floods, didn't care about the Texas wildfires and ignored the Ambassador and SEALS in Bengazi but dammit, when it's NYC and his voting block, the man is in the situation room talking about cutting red tape that he helped put in the first place

Don't forget he didn't do shit for Houston when Ike hit in 08.

[DON SVO]

it's not michelle_p money but $46 an hour http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_d..._new_york_city

vs. alabamas $22 an hour http://www.gobuildalabama.com/trades/

starts to make a little more sense.. now when you put 6 guys in a truck and hotel room, there is money to be made.. especially when there in no work in alabama..

http://local3.com/

ya'll have to realize that this is what i do for a living, it is my livelihood, i know how the building trades work inside and out. if you think a non union guy walks around on ANY jobsite with his chin in the air trying to call shots you are sorely confused.. they are quiet keep to themselves and wont even look a union man in the eye.. oh and they pay for health care out of their own paychecks LOL

The minute that people in an emergency state, facing a hurricane/blizzard/snowpocalypse, are being told that they're going to have to endure several more days of no electricity or gas or water or sewage because the help wasn't local union is the minute I'd go fucking berserk. Rodney, this isn't some long-term contract bid where out-of-staters are trying to weasel in... It's a goddamned nightmare with people freezing to death and starving and drowning. To try to protect the "interests" of the local union when the people need utilities is fucking retarded.

They don't have the man-power to fix it immediately. This is an IMMEDIATE need. To defend that "Union 4 Lyfe!" position means you're willing to tell some elderly couple to fucking freeze to death because the people from out of state aren't Union and aren't welcome.

[DON SVO]

Don't forget he didn't do shit for Houston when Ike hit in 08.

Imagine if Bush would have upheld unions telling other contractors to fuck off during Katrina... The press would have set him on fire.

[Trip McNeely]

Actually i have a correction, Obama wasn't president for Ike. However, I don't remember a Kumbaya concert and tele-thon for Ike victims like they did for Katrina. That's what I was getting at.

[naynay]

The minute that people in an emergency state, facing a hurricane/blizzard/snowpocalypse, are being told that they're going to have to endure several more days of no electricity or gas or water or sewage because the help wasn't local union is the minute I'd go fucking berserk. Rodney, this isn't some long-term contract bid where out-of-staters are trying to weasel in... It's a goddamned nightmare with people freezing to death and starving and drowning. To try to protect the "interests" of the local union when the people need utilities is fucking retarded.

They don't have the man-power to fix it immediately. This is an IMMEDIATE need. To defend that "Union 4 Lyfe!" position means you're willing to tell some elderly couple to fucking freeze to death because the people from out of state aren't Union and aren't welcome.

they sure do have the man power to fix it.. IBEW is international.. they put an open call to all CERTIFIED UNION electricians.. a couple open shop dudes arent gonna show up and touch a damn thing, until they buy their book and pay some dues.. sorry thats the way it is..

and FF, no one is really willing to go to prison for murder over a job.. it'll get done when it gets done.. where were those bama boys when katrina hit? tempt me.

[naynay]

Actually i have a correction, Obama wasn't president for Ike. However, I don't remember a Kumbaya concert and tele-thon for Ike victims like they did for Katrina. That's what I was getting at.

so fund raisers are bad.. check..

what about "we are the world with michael jackson bono stevie wonder elton john, john cusack, being john malkovich, maury pauvich, sally jesse raphael, teenage mutantant ninje turtles, splinter, ricky lake and barbara streisand.. obama was still a dope smokin turban wearer, right?

[naynay]

Imagine if Bush would have upheld unions telling other contractors to fuck off during Katrina... The press would have set him on fire.

the republican party has been against unions from day 1.. so yeah, duh.,.

for me its not about organized labor, so much as weeding the weak from the rest of the pack. if you dont have the commitment to do a 5 year apprenticeship with 800 class hours and 8000 OTJ hours, you are not fit to be in my trade or recieve my pay scale.. get in line or go work for DTR mechainical. (Down the Road, for the uninformed).

[Trip McNeely]

so fund raisers are bad.. check..

what about "we are the world with michael jackson bono stevie wonder elton john, john cusack, being john malkovich, maury pauvich, sally jesse raphael, teenage mutantant ninje turtles, splinter, ricky lake and barbara streisand.. obama was still a dope smokin turban wearer, right?

Fund raisers are good when they are EQUAL. Why wasn't there one with Ikes victims? Oh that's right, its all political. Just like the one they are exploiting the victims of this storm for Obummers campaign tonight. You Liberals have no shame. It's quite sad.

[naynay]

Each high-profile disaster of the past few years—including the Haiti earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, and now the Japan catastrophe—have made it clear that the way charities raise money in response to disasters does not work.

Inevitably, after each disaster a reporter will ask me if enough money or perhaps too much money has been donated. My answer is always the same—some organizations will have too much money and other organizations will have too little money. Often it’s not the amount but the distribution that’s the problem.

Here’s how it works: Charitable donations are the greatest in the first few weeks after a disaster, while it’s still making news headlines.

Nonprofits know this, and many of them immediately issue appeals and create advertisements for their disaster response. But this is all done before anybody knows the extent of the disaster, the capacity of the local government and nonprofits to respond, and which other nonprofits are responding and what their capabilities are.

In other words, they raise money in a vacuum.

With each passing disaster, more and more organizations raise money. This leads to intense competition between organizations for donations. Those with the biggest name recognition and the most eye-catching advertising, or those that are on the most lists of “How you can help” or that have the best celebrity endorsers, get the most donations.

The local organizations that are in the midst of the recovery efforts and are working 24 hours a day nonstop have a much harder time raising funds. Many of these groups also have Web sites that are in foreign languages, or they are unable to accept credit-card payments.

In turn, too much money is being raised to support groups that provide things like boats or orphanages, while too little money is raised for help with legal issues or assistance to the elderly. There may be too much money raised by organizations that are incompetent and too little money raised by competent ones.

In the Haiti recovery efforts, somewhere between 1,000 and 10,000 organizations are responding—no one knows the actual number. This makes coordination extremely difficult, increases the chances for gaps and duplication of aid, and makes it impossible to monitor the work of each organization to ensure that programs are done well and don’t do any harm.

The March 23 situation report for Japan from the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs says that 670 nonprofits have offered their assistance to provide help following the recent earthquake and tsunami.

This probably means that all 670 of those groups have already raised money for the recovery efforts. And many of them have done this without a clear request for assistance or without identifying local groups to support.

The most recent situation report makes it very clear that Japan is going to allow only very limited international assistance.

So what are all the international charities that raised millions of dollars going to do with all of the money? Here’s a statement from Oxfam Japan:

The Japanese state has the means to reach 99 percent of the population, but there will always be some who need more specific assistance.

And here’s a quote from the president of InterAction, a Washington coalition of organizations that work overseas:

When Hurricane Katrina struck America in 2005, many of the victims of that disaster were comforted from the emotional and monetary support that came from abroad. Just as in Hurricane Katrina, there will sadly be thousands of people who will likely fall through the cracks of Japan’s social security net. Japanese civil society, with funds from U.S. and other donors, will help fill that gap. That is where the generosity of the American people and many other nations, make a difference.

So it sounds like the 670 nonprofits that have raised millions of dollars in donations for the recovery efforts will have one of three choices.

If they are allowed, they can compete to provide assistance to the 1 percent of the victims who fall through the cracks. They can try to find local organizations to support, which may mean extra layers of unnecessary bureaucracy and extra work for the local organization to please the group providing the money. Or the organizations may decide to use the money on other disasters or to cover general organizational costs. Some of these groups will be very upfront about this, and some of them will hide it in the fine print.

The system is not working. It’s far too opportunistic and does not ensure that money arrives where it is needed the most.

Personally, I’d like a centralized system for raising and distributing money. A general fund would be created that people could give to immediately instead of to individual nonprofits. It could operate much like the United Nations Central Emergency Response Fund or the Disasters Emergency Committee appeal, a collaboration of nonprofit groups.

Contributing to a centralized disaster fund would give donors a way to show solidarity with the disaster victims.

Ideally, the money could be distributed by either the government or a coordinating body to ensure that donations go to where they are most needed rather than to whoever can raise the most.

This would potentially help local organizations get the money they need and provide a measure of control over nonprofit work. It would also mean that if all the funds are not needed, they could then be used in disasters that do not get the same media coverage and the same level of financial support.

Some people will argue that the United Nations central fund is too slow or that it favors larger organizations over smaller ones. Both of these are fair criticisms. But then I ask for suggestions on how to create a better system, because this repeated scramble for donor dollars is just not working.

[DON SVO]

they sure do have the man power to fix it.. IBEW is international.. they put an open call to all CERTIFIED UNION electricians.. a couple open shop dudes arent gonna show up and touch a damn thing, until they buy their book and pay some dues.. sorry thats the way it is..

and FF, no one is really willing to go to prison for murder over a job.. it'll get done when it gets done.. where were those bama boys when katrina hit? tempt me.

No, if they're putting out an 'international' call they don't have the man power now do they? What they're doing is railroading the state and the general populous. They're telling people freezing and starving that they can die until a union fuck face shows up to fix the power lines.

Don't make me go all Avery's Dad/OneEyedWillie on you and keep repeating myself.

[naynay]

i didnt read it all but was there any mention of any us president in that article i copied and pasted from http://philanthropy.com/blogs/world-...nd-raising/219

just curious?

and i only quote mr. BMW himself b/c he seems the most philanthropic of this bunch.

[Forever_frost]

they sure do have the man power to fix it.. IBEW is international.. they put an open call to all CERTIFIED UNION electricians.. a couple open shop dudes arent gonna show up and touch a damn thing, until they buy their book and pay some dues.. sorry thats the way it is..

and FF, no one is really willing to go to prison for murder over a job.. it'll get done when it gets done.. where were those bama boys when katrina hit? tempt me.

Problem is, unions aren't prosecuted like normal people.

Here's just one example. I literally have 164,000,000 showing

A rebellion against leaders of the United Steelworkers at U.S. Steel has broken into the open.

Dissidents are angry because Local 1005 president Rolf Gerstenberger is refusing to let members vote on a motion to reopen negotiations with the company. They want district or national union officers to step in and hold a secret ballot vote.

There has been an undercurrent of dissent in the union ever since the company locked the gates of the Wilcox Street plant in November, but the unorganized faction has confined itself to speaking at union meetings and through anonymous flyers and Internet postings. Until now, no one has spoken openly.

“I want the negotiating committee to ask members what they want and to take that direction,” said George Hutchinson, who has become the most vocal of the dissidents arguing since November that the union negotiating committee should be ordered to restart talks.

A December motion to do that was overwhelmingly defeated, and a recent effort to reintroduce the topic was ruled out of order by Gerstenberger. A subsequent motion challenging that ruling was overwhelmingly defeated. While both sides claim the support of a silent majority of members, those two votes are the only measures of support so far.

“I just want the members to have a say,” Hutchinson said in an interview. “Whatever 50 per cent plus one of the membership decides I’m willing to accept, but the membership needs to be asked what they want.”

Hutchinson is one of nine union members who contacted The Spectator after the May 18 union meeting. Four of those agreed to have their names published as part of this story, but all say they expect some level of retaliation for speaking out.

“It’s not like they’re smashing your windows or slashing your tires, but you don’t feel safe doing this,” said Brian Walpack.

http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/category/union-news/union-violence/

[naynay]

No, if they're putting out an 'international' call they don't have the man power now do they? What they're doing is railroading the state and the general populous. They're telling people freezing and starving that they can die until a union fuck face shows up to fix the power lines.

Don't make me go all Avery's Dad/OneEyedWillie on you and keep repeating myself.

because one man can fix "power lines".. lol

if you dont know what you are talking about then stop. labor is regulated because it needs to be... i'll be the first to tell you even if my breaker panel goes on the fritz the last thing i want is some slack jawed yokel with his hand out showing up asking how much im willing to pay him to fix it..