Schools teaching Islam now?

[line-em-up]

Well, you've got a long history of racist comments, so no surprise there....

Call it what you want. I won't care.

[line-em-up]

So...if I say "Fuck Islam, the pig fucking, pedophile following camel molesting bastards" would that be racist?

If you aren't willing to bend over and let people do what they want to you, then you must be racist.

[Forever_frost]

If you aren't willing to bend over and let people do what they want to you, then you must be racist.

I'm a LOT of things. RAcist isn't one. Who I dislikes is never based on race. Ideology? Fair game.

[bcoop]

How is being against a certain religion equate to racist comments? How could you assume he is against Islam because he may be a racist; and why would it be no surprise? Use your head.

Go read his post history, then come back and run your mouth, dumb ass.

[line-em-up]

Go read his post history, then come back and run your mouth, dumb ass.

We're not talking about what I may or may not have said. We're talking about teaching islam in school. Whay are trying to change the subject? Are you trying to redirect so that you don't have to defend the issue?

[bcoop]

We're not talking about what I may or may not have said. We're talking about teaching islam in school. Whay are trying to change the subject?

Im not changing the subject. I made a correlation. Intolerance is intolerance. Race, religion, etc. Doesn't matter. I'd bet you wouldn't have an issue at all if they were teaching about Christianity in schools. But because it's Islam, you have a problem with it. I don't think either have a place in schools, personally.

[Sean88gt]

Numb people out, it's easier to convert them.

[line-em-up]

Im not changing the subject. I made a correlation. Intolerance is intolerance. Race, religion, etc. Doesn't matter. I'd bet you wouldn't have an issue at all if they were teaching about Christianity in schools. But because it's Islam, you have a problem with it. I don't think either have a place in schools, personally.

Other than the sarcastic suggestion to teach the Bible as a way to show the comparison to teaching islam, I didn't suggest such a thing. That is you trying to project what you think about me. Yes, intolerance is intolerance. The difference is I think people should live their own lives and not be forced to abide by others' way of thinking if they choose not to. That is opposed to the people that want to behead anyone that doesn't believe in their god. Do you see the difference? So, yea, I am extremely intolerant.

As far as religion being taught in schools. No, it shouldn't. Let people worship their God (or not), but don't impose it on others.

[Forever_frost]

Unless, of course, equal time is spent teaching EVERY religion and their history and impact on the world. That should get interesting about the time you get to the Norse gods and the many different Indian religions (feather, not dot)

[Silverback]

Considering that in order to teach American history, basic cultural as well as religious fundamentals are taught about native Americans. Same goes with the Myans and Incans when discussing Central America. Not much different when teaching about the middle east to include Islam, Christianity when discussing European progression, or Buddhism, Hinduism, etc in Asia...

They are all part of teaching the story of the world. As long as promoting any religion is not included, nor should anything more than fundamentals and facts be discussed.

They also have religion classes in high schools as well, which dive in deeper, but they are electives and not mandatory classes.

[Forever_frost]

Considering that in order to teach American history, basic cultural as well as religious fundamentals are taught about native Americans. Same goes with the Myans and Incans when discussing Central America. Not much different when teaching about the middle east to include Islam, Christianity when discussing European progression, or Buddhism, Hinduism, etc in Asia...

They are all part of teaching the story of the world. As long as promoting any religion is not included, nor should anything more than fundamentals and facts be discussed.

They also have religion classes in high schools as well, which dive in deeper, but they are electives and not mandatory classes.

If they're teaching in depth Islam (history, Momo [guarantee they gloss over him] and such) they're doing more than history. And if a single student has to write anything about no god but Allah.....sue the fuck out of the teacher and principal and district.

[Binky]

Guess what, education is about learning something. Theres more to knowledge than knowing how to spell or how to count.

Knowing about cultures around the world is just as important as everything else. Otherwise you start to raise a bunch of fucking rednecks that dont know anything beyond their county lines. The issue isnt the religion, its ignorance.

Those that bastardize an entire religion and region for the zealots that practice a certain faith are in the exact same camp as those that preach anti-american rhetoric. You are just two sides of the same racist and prejudicial coin.

[Forever_frost]

I also want the Force taught and it's value to the world.

[Silverback]

I also want the Force taught and it's value to the world.

Take that crap to the theology forum with the king and his dumbassery.

You're pulling a 4eyedwillie over here.

[line-em-up]

If they're teaching in depth Islam (history, Momo [guarantee they gloss over him] and such) they're doing more than history. And if a single student has to write anything about no god but Allah.....sue the fuck out of the teacher and principal and district.

That's okay. It will be benign. Here is an example.

After the 9/11 attacks, the Massachusetts Board of Education funded a special seminar for K-12 teachers to learn about Islamic history and the Middle East.

The outreach coordinator at Harvard University's Center for Middle Eastern Studies helped organize the seminar. Stotsky said she was shocked by the teachers' lesson plans that came out of the week-long seminar.

"They ranged from having students make prayer rugs; describe what it would be like to go on a hajj--a pilgrimage; learn and memorize the five pillars of Islam; listen to and learn how to recite passages from the Koran; dress like a Muslim from a particular country.it was, to me, a clear violation of ethics involved in how one would expect children to learn about another culture. That they would literally go through the memorization and the learning of religious beliefs."

"These are unacceptable practices in a public school," she added. "In fact, they would be unacceptable academic practices in any school."

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/460652.aspx

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And another.

Another school has been “teaching” Islam by having students study and learn Muslim prayers and dress as Muslims, and a lawyer who argued a previous dispute over this issue to the U.S. Supreme Court said such methodologies wouldn’t “last 10 seconds” if it were Christianity being taught.






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“Would it have been ‘just cultural education’ if students were in simulated baptisms, wearing a crucifix, having taken the name of St. John and with praise banners saying ‘Praise be to Jesus Christ’ on classroom walls?” asked Edward White III, of the Thomas More Law Center.








Supt. Don Grotting



His comments came after a new protest arose in Nyssa, Ore., where one parent raised objections when the Islamic teachings came to light. The district there, according to Supt. Don Grotting, is teaching a chapter in a history textbook “Journey Across Time” that talks about “how civilization has developed and some of the particular aspects of Islam.”


“We teach out of the book, and there are some supplemental class activities,” he told WND. “The kids do some skits, they could bring a food from the region, you could build a prop that would have depicted (something) maybe during that time period.


“If you wanted to you could dress up (as a Muslim) for extra credit,” he said.


He said students also learned about the climate of the Middle East, the food and everyday activities of Islam, and the geography and the lay of the land.


Still another assignment was to learn the “five pillars” of Islam, study Ramadan and listen to guest speakers including an American Muslim who arrived dressed in her religious costume to talk to the kids about her Quran.


“She relayed to the kids, if you’re a Christian you have your Bible, this is our Quran,” Grotting said.


Parent Kendalee Garner, however, objected to having her son being taught Islam and also to the time the public school system spends on the subject.


She told WND that her 13-year-old son is being “indoctrinated that Islam is a religion of peace, and being dressed up as a Muslim, being taught prayers, and scriptures out of the Quran.”


“I just don’t understand the ban on Christianity but Islam has free rein,” she said.


She said the guest speakers and skits and reports were wrong, but what set her off was a class in which students in all three social studies classes dressed in traditional Islamic outfits.


“The only reason I knew about it was because my son told me about it,” she said. “They sent him to the library instead of stopping what they were doing. I’m sure people would be outraged if they dressed up as the pope.”


That was White’s point exactly.


If that’s how teaching about religions is done, he said, “then teach all religions in the same way, Christianity, Judaism. Have the kids study Native American religions, do the dance, smoke the pipe. Have the kids dress up as priests and hear confession.”


He said when he suggests that, school managers and even judges get that “panic-stricken” look.


He knows because he argued the same dispute up to the U.S. Supreme Court after complaints of similar teachings in the Byron Union School District in California.


As WND has reported that case was almost a duplicate. Teachers were having students memorize Islamic prayers, wear Islamic dress and learn to behave as a Muslim under the guise of studying history.


Some parents objected and their resulting lawsuit was turned back by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals where the opinion called it “cultural education.”


The U.S. Supreme Court last week declined to intervene, but lawyers note that’s not necessarily an endorsement of the court; it just means the justices will not review the dispute at this point.


White said he actually challenged the 9th Circuit to write its instructions in a detailed opinion, so schools would know exactly what’s required. However, he said the court brushed him off with a three-paragraph ruling that essentially boils down to one district judge saying it’s okay in one school district.


“Why is it okay to teach Islam? Unless there’s an exception in the Establishment Clause, which says you cannot teach religion in schools unless it’s Islam,” he said. “I haven’t seen it.”


Grotting said the course has been taught for several years, and comes mandated by the state under a set of required standards – called Benchmark 3 – that students must reach each year.


Grotting acknowledged to WND that textbooks do “take a slant” on some issues, because publishers “are wanting to sell a textbook that is meeting the needs of the state and federal mandates.”


“I believe we’re not here to promote or advocate either religion or politics,” social studies teacher Jim Casad told the Ontario, Ore., Argus Observer. “However, we do have an obligation to inform students of what is going on in our world today and how history and culture have affected that world.”


In the California case, school officials also blamed the “possible cant” of the textbook and said the Islamic studies were being taught because of state mandates.


“It is imperative that our instruction includes an understanding of and insight into all cultures and a tolerance for the diversity found in the world,” said Peggy Green, the Byron Union School District superintendent, at that time.


A review online of information from the text shows that it teaches Christianity spread because “it gave meaning to peoples’ lives, appealed to their emotions and promised happiness after death.”


Its description also focuses on Christians’ conflicts with Rome (when they were fed to lions), and splits between Christians following Roman teachings and those following the teachings of Constantine.


However, the article praises how the Muslims founded the system for banking, created important centers for learning, government and the arts, how they ran “government, society and business” and made valuable contributions in math, science and the arts.


The text also credits Muslims with inventing algebra and chemistry as well as creating beautiful buildings, citing the Taj Mahal, although the text does not mention that that is a tomb.


There’s also no mention of the Quranic instruction that Muslims must behead infidels, or nonbelievers.


One blogger said Christians should think strategically on such issues.


“Cases like this present Christians with a golden opportunity to introduce elements of religious teaching back into the state curriculum by using the left’s double standard towards Islam against it,” said one commentator. “Now that this case is on the books in the Ninth Circuit as precedent, expect Christian immersion classes to follow.”