VP Debate tonight - Ryan v. Biden

[4eyedwillie]

And adding to the deficit with more entitlement programs and Obamacare is so much better!

Please post Obama's itemized list of cuts if you're going to bash what was posted.

I haven't seen one. But my read on it is that it's not 250 billion and no more deficit spending it's just 250 billion off of the 1 trillion so still 750 billion increase plus interest a year increase.

The only way the deficit is going to go down is to get everyone working again at a decent livable wage. NOT $8 or $9 a hour but $15 or more. That is the only way. The lower wages only line the company owners pockets and they are saving it in overseas accounts not spending it. A middle class worker will spend most of his money and get the economy going again. The money has to be going around and round not sitting in the bank. That is the ONLY way we are going to pull out.

[4eyedwillie]

Versus Obama's trillion plus a year in deficit spending

Yep. Line item veto would work better. Go thru and get rid of ALL the pork.
Also get all the troops back from overseas and use them to keep people from coming into the country instead of protecting corporate interest overseas. Downsize as required while maintaining high tech.
Raise tariffs on imports specifically towards china. Raise tariffs double on any American company that manufactures over seas and brings it into the us. That would bring back jobs in droves because no company would want to loose access to the largest economy in the world.
None of these and others will happen because the real owners of the government (big corporations/banks) will not let it happen.

[347Mike]

So 250 Billion a year? And that's only if they all go away. Should about take car of the interest.

And adding to the deficit with more entitlement programs and Obamacare is so much better!

Please post Obama's itemized list of cuts if you're going to bash what was posted.

[Forever_frost]

So 250 Billion a year? And that's only if they all go away. Should about take car of the interest.

Versus Obama's trillion plus a year in deficit spending

[4eyedwillie]

So 250 Billion a year? And that's only if they all go away. Should about take car of the interest.

[Forever_frost]

PAUL RYAN'S PROPOSED BUDGET CUTS----Read carefully and share!!
A List of Republican Budget Cuts
Notice S.S. and the military are NOT on this list .
These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting. Read to the end.

* Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy -- $445 million annual savings.
* Save America 's Treasures Program -- $25 million annual savings.
* International Fund for Ireland -- $17 million annual savings.
* Legal Services Corporation -- $420 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Arts -- $167.5 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Humanities -- $167.5 million annual savings.
* Hope VI Program -- $250 million annual savings.
* Amtrak Subsidies -- $1.565 billion annual savings.
* Eliminate duplicating education programs -- H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
* U.S. Trade Development Agency -- $55 million annual savings.
* Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy -- $20 million annual savings.
* Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding -- $47 million annual savings.
* John C. Stennis Center Subsidy -- $430,000 annual savings.
* Community Development Fund -- $4.5 billion annual savings.
* Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid -- $24 million annual savings.
* Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half -- $7.5 billion annual savings
* Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20% -- $600 million annual savings.
* Essential Air Service -- $150 million annual savings.
* Technology Innovation Program -- $70 million annual savings.
* Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program -- $125 million annual savings..
* Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization -- $530 million annual savings.
* Beach Replenishment -- $95 million annual savings.
* New Starts Transit -- $2 billion annual savings.
· Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts -- $9 million annual savings
* Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants -- $2.5 billion annual savings.
* Title X Family Planning -- $318 million annual savings.
* Appalachian Regional Commission -- $76 million annual savings.
* Economic Development Administration -- $293 million annual savings.
* Programs under the National and Community Services Act -- $1.15 billion annual savings.
* Applied Research at Department of Energy -- $1.27 billion annual savings.
* Freedom CAR and Fuel Partnership -- $200 million annual savings..
* Energy Star Program -- $52 million annual savings.
* Economic Assistance to Egypt -- $250 million annually .
* U.S. Agency for International Development -- $1.39 billion annual savings.
* General Assistance to District of Columbia -- $210 million annual savings.
* Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority -- $150 million annual savings.
* Presidential Campaign Fund -- $775 million savings over ten years .
* No funding for federal office space acquisition -- $864 million annual savings.
* E nd prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
* Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act -- More than $1 billion annually.
* IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget -- $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
* Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees -- $1 billion total savings. WHAT THE HELL IS THISABOUT?
* Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees -- $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
* Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of -- $15 billion total savings.
* Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress. WHAT???
* Eliminate Mohair Subsidies -- $1 million annual savings.
* Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- $12.5 million annual savings WELL ISN'T THAT SPECIAL
* Eliminate Market Access Program -- $200 million annual savings.
* USDA Sugar Program -- $14 million annual savings.
* Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) -- $93 million annual savings.
* Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program -- $56.2 million annual savings.
* Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs -- $ 900 million savings.
* Ready to Learn TV Program -- $27 million savings..
* HUD Ph.D. Program.
* Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
* TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years

[Forever_frost]

You sure get focused on the smallest points. I said in another thread I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT A CONSTITUTIONAL requirement. They all do what they want they're all snakes. IMO Ob and dems are the SLIGHTLY less odorous snake. I want a none of the above box and if it wins they have to start completely over and present totally new candidates. And I mean totally new not the next one down at the convention.

which is odd because that is the Supreme Law of the land and governs the federal government and the Republic. IF they are mandated by law to perform an action, and do not do so (passing a budget), then they are in breach of the law. You should care about the Constitution. Otherwise, you really don't care if Matt decides he wants to go search through your house and imprison you without due process or concern about search and seizure because he feels like it.

That IS what you're saying.

[4eyedwillie]

No one said that. You are the worst type of debater. If you want to talk about Boner, start a thread about it. Stop trying to deflect what people are talking about with "Well this OTHER guy is doing THIS!" It's like arguing with a fucking 8 year old.

You mean like FF saying reid did this and that? My comment was in reply to that so it applies.

[4eyedwillie]

Budgets are required of the Congress. Tell me what budget that Bohner has refused to allow a vote on. I'll wait. Do love the moral relativism though

You sure get focused on the smallest points. I said in another thread I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT A CONSTITUTIONAL requirement. They all do what they want they're all snakes. IMO Ob and dems are the SLIGHTLY less odorous snake. I want a none of the above box and if it wins they have to start completely over and present totally new candidates. And I mean totally new not the next one down at the convention.

And Boner doing the same thing is ok? Gotcha....

No one said that. You are the worst type of debater. If you want to talk about Boner, start a thread about it. Stop trying to deflect what people are talking about with "Well this OTHER guy is doing THIS!" It's like arguing with a fucking 8 year old.

[Silverback]

And Boner doing the same thing is ok? Gotcha....

When did I say it was. If you read back a few pages I stated I have a problem with anyone supporting this bipartisan stalemate.

So try again.

[Forever_frost]

If boener can do it why can't he? Again turn about is fair play

Budgets are required of the Congress. Tell me what budget that Bohner has refused to allow a vote on. I'll wait. Do love the moral relativism though

[4eyedwillie]

It's not though. This is the kind of BS that hurts a nation, not help it, which is what Obama wants, or least over the last four years it has come off as his agenda.

And Boner doing the same thing is ok? Gotcha....

[4eyedwillie]

You do know that Reid has allowed zero budgets that left the House to come to a vote right? He's OBLIGATED to by law, but he's kept shelving them. And because you won't say it, every budget Obama started?

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If boener can do it why can't he? Again turn about is fair play

[Forever_frost]

I probably would too. Turnabout is fair play.

You do know that Reid has allowed zero budgets that left the House to come to a vote right? He's OBLIGATED to by law, but he's kept shelving them. And because you won't say it, every budget Obama started?

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