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    to see how liberals sell bad ideas.

    The Green Party's radical proposal to have the Reserve Bank print money to help bring down the dollar looks unlikely to go anywhere.

    Co-leader Russel Norman yesterday unveiled his party's plan to see the new money invested in government earthquake bonds to fund the rebuild of Christchurch and refill the Natural Disaster Fund.

    As well as the quantitative easing approach, the proposal would:

    - Give the Reserve Bank a broader mandate for lowering the official cash rate and new tools for managing asset bubbles.

    - Introduce a capital gains tax, though not on family homes.

    - Dr Norman said quantitative easing had been adopted by many countries, including the United States, and New Zealand was one of the few Western countries holding on to traditional monetary policy.

    The Greens' proposal would improve New Zealand's competitiveness, boost jobs and prevent speculators from cashing in on the high New Zealand dollar.

    "The global financial crisis has changed all the rules and National's doctrinaire approach is no longer serving our economy well," Dr Norman said.

    Under the proposal, quantitative easing would be done in stages, starting with about $2 billion, then it would be up to the Reserve Bank governor.

    Dr Norman said New Zealand's high exchange rate was hurting the manufacturing sector, compelling skilled workers to leave the country and driving down the benefit of international tourism.

    Opponents say quantitative easing would drive up the price of imports making petrol, electronics and other everyday goods more expensive.

    But Dr Norman said it was better to manage the dollar down today, rather than wait for the "inevitable sudden correction and the severe shock . . . that will entail".

    National does not support the policy with Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce saying it was "fanciful economics" to suggest printing money would fix the economy.

    Such moves were popular only in countries with crippling debt levels where they had run out of options, he said.


    "They then want to abandon sensible monetary policy and whack up the cost of living for every New Zealander, and they want to pay for the Christchurch rebuild by printing money."

    While a capital gains tax was Labour policy, the party does not support the enforced use of quantitative easing.

    Labour finance spokesman David Parker said that was a decision for the Reserve Bank, however he supported the widening of the bank's governing legislation.

    The Reserve Bank governor should not be limited to only considering price levels when deciding on the official cash rate, Mr Parker said.

    "I say what we should do is change the Reserve Bank Act . . . but then for me it's up to the Reserve Bank of New Zealand, independent of me or Russel Norman to say what is the best thing to do to pay more attention to the exchange rate."

    The issue of paying for the Christchurch rebuild was a separate one, Mr Parker said.

    It should not be confused with the need to update monetary policy.

    NZ First leader Winston Peters has drafted a member's bill which would require the Reserve Bank to look at the growth rate, unemployment and exports as well as the traditional measure of inflation.


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  • #2
    Well who started QE in the first place? When did WE start it?

    "The Fed quietly began quantitative easing in late 2008, then announced a much more aggressive program in the spring of 2009. Two lesser easing programs followed."


    George W. Bush's second term as President of the United States began at noon on January 20, 2005 and expired with the swearing-in of the 44th President Barack Obama at noon, on January 20, 2009.

    Me thinks "W" did in 2008. oooooops facts are a bitch hua? Unless you just want to blame everything form Typhoid to Thailand on Obama.

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    • #3
      Bush speech Sept 2008

      often called TARP, or QE1
      Bush got 700 billion to spend, he released 350 billion and Obama released the other 350 billion after asking Bush to get it for him.
      President-elect obama to team with President Bush to ask Congress to release the second $350 billion in TARP funds, saying he will "rebrand" the program to provide more help to homeowners and make the money more accountable.



      On February 10, 2009, the newly confirmed Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner outlined his plan to use the remaining $300 billion or so in TARP funds. He intended to direct $50 billion towards foreclosure mitigation and use the rest to help fund private investors to buy toxic assets from banks. Nevertheless, this highly anticipated speech coincided with a nearly 5 percent drop in the S&P 500 and was criticized for lacking details.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble...Relief_Program


      President-elect obama to team with President Bush to ask Congress to release the second $350 billion in TARP funds, saying he will "rebrand" the program to provide more help to homeowners and make the money more accountable.



      [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDmPEeurfA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDmPEeurfA[/ame]

      1/2 of QE1 -- QE2 and QE3 are all Obama's spending
      In November 2010, the Fed announced a second round of quantitative easing, or "QE2", buying $600 billion of Treasury securities. A third round of quantitative easing, or "QE3," was announced by the Federal Reserve in September 2012. The third round includes a plan to purchase US$40 billion of mortgage-backed securities (MBS) per month. Additionally, the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) announced that it would likely maintain the federal funds rate near zero "at least through 2015, and QE3 is open ended.


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantit...QE2.2C_and_QE3
      Last edited by jyro; 10-07-2012, 10:00 PM.
      Don't worry about what you can't change.
      Do the best you can with what you have.
      Be honest, even if it hurts.

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      • #4
        Bush started it, Obama kicked on the nitrous and hit the highway. We are currently funded by the Fed buying our debt which cannot be sustained. And they're buying at 40 billion a month.
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        • #5
          then there's this on gas prices caused by QE3

          http://blog.gasbuddy.com/posts/Feds-...2350-1326.aspx


          The program, dubbed QE3, works like this: the U.S. central bank implements quantitative easing by buying financial assets from commercial banks and other private institutions with newly created money. In turn, this sends the value of the U.S. dollar lower, the global currency of crude oil, thus making oil more expensive to buyers holding American Dollars.

          We're seeing oil prices tinker on triple digits as a result, and it may not get a whole lot better. Since QE3 is expected to keep the dollar weak, it may keep oil prices elevated, and thus oil and gasoline prices high. As the economy has weakened during Obama's presidency, the Fed has continued its loose monetary policy, keeping the dollar weak thus oil prices strong, since oil is globally traded in dollars. Essentially, this makes oil more attractive to use as a hedge against inflation, and makes oil cheaper for countries holding stronger currency against the dollar.
          Don't worry about what you can't change.
          Do the best you can with what you have.
          Be honest, even if it hurts.

          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" ... Winston Churchill

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          • #6
            Originally posted by likeitfast55 View Post
            Well who started QE in the first place? When did WE start it?

            "The Fed quietly began quantitative easing in late 2008, then announced a much more aggressive program in the spring of 2009. Two lesser easing programs followed."


            George W. Bush's second term as President of the United States began at noon on January 20, 2005 and expired with the swearing-in of the 44th President Barack Obama at noon, on January 20, 2009.

            Me thinks "W" did in 2008. oooooops facts are a bitch hua? Unless you just want to blame everything form Typhoid to Thailand on Obama.
            bush did plenty wrong . obama did nothing to stop it so hes just as guilty imo

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
              Bush started it, Obama kicked on the nitrous and hit the highway. We are currently funded by the Fed buying our debt which cannot be sustained. And they're buying at 40 billion a month.
              to see how liberals sell bad ideas.
              So who exactly "sold" it again?

              bush did plenty wrong . Obama did nothing to stop it so hes just as guilty imo
              Totally agree! Bush sold it, Obama bought it. That's all I have to say about that. (in my best Forrest Gump voice)

              I do not care for either of them. Now put Cain on the ballot MINUS the airhead from Alaska and im all over it. Great patriot, great American. Would make a great President! IMHO.

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