At White House Request, Lockheed Martin Drops Plan to Issue Layoff Notices

[pr1042]

Sorry... the defense industry needs to take a cut as well. While we need strong defense in this country we often over pay for it heavily. Civillian contracting companies RAPE us on their contracts plain and simple. While I agree going to an active warzone is hazardous, not everyone out there needs to make $100k+. Our military members out there dont.

Much emphasis is placed on the daily/yearly rates contractors are paid but there is more to it than just that.

The GAO did a report in 2010 that found it is often cheaper to use contractors than DOD/State department personnel for security. Sometimes they are roughly equal but it all depends on the requirements of the contract. One example stated it would cost $858 million a year for static security in a Baghdad embassy versus $78 million to use contractors.

Another example is for personal security for Baghdad embassy employees. $240 million government vs $380 million contractor. However, it was estimated to cost another $162 million for the govt. to recruit, hire, and train additional employees to fill their needs.

GAO-10-266R

[Darren M]

The DFW will take a MASSIVE hit with this bill. I work several of the aeronautics companies and they are telling me there will be massive layoffs. Plus you have companies like Craft that will take a huge hit. Once these jobs are cut the spending in the area will drop and less people will move here for jobs. This is a huge economic hit.

Speaking like a insider there. Laymen do not, and frankly I don't believe they could, understand the economical reliance D/FW has on DoD money. I'm not talking BIG business either. However, for the record, let's just name a few HUGE names that help support D/FW. In no particular order. (These are just the ones I know about.)

• Raytheon
• Boeing
• Bell - Multiple DFW cities
• Lockheed Martin - Multiple DFW cities
• etc

Then you have to look at the many small businesses that support these companies. I mean, seriously, the next time you pass just about any small business complex, take a hard look at the list of names. Chances are very good one of them has something to do with distribution or manufacturing that feeds the Defense industry.

Here's a quote from a report in 2010. (Interesting read actually.)
Article here

That spending supports more than 36,000 jobs in aerospace manufacturing in North Texas, according to Moody's Analytics. Many of those positions are the kind of skilled manufacturing jobs that lawmakers think are vital to a healthy middle class.

That's one hell of a direct hit to this area. Not to mention the fall out from the loss of those jobs.

Again, I agree that cuts are needed, but a blind swing of the fiscal hammer is NOT the way to do it!

Just my 2¢.

[Forever_frost]

Would you guys rather have a cut back defense or bankrupt/dd
Depression? Everything has to be cut whether you like it or not. Deficit spending is killing this country

Actually, that's not true. Defense is less than 25% of our budget. It's not killing this country, it's one of the very few things we are supposed to spend on. Cut out money to the IMF, foreign aid, UN and stop spending money to teach african prostitutes to use condoms.

[The King]

actually, that's not true. Defense is less than 25% of our budget. It's not killing this country, it's one of the very few things we are supposed to spend on. Cut out money to the imf, foreign aid, UN and stop spending money to teach african prostitutes to use condoms.

x1000

[onemeangixxer7502]

Actually, that's not true. Defense is less than 25% of our budget. It's not killing this country, it's one of the very few things we are supposed to spend on. Cut out money to the IMF, foreign aid, UN and stop spending money to teach african prostitutes to use condoms.

x2 it astounds me that we're going broke yet we still send borrowed money to other countries .......

[Forever_frost]

We're sending foreign aid to China. We're borrowing money from China to send to China in foreign aid and paying interest on the money we're borrowing from them to give to them.

I'll let that sink in

[onemeangixxer7502]

We're sending foreign aid to China. We're borrowing money from China to send to China in foreign aid and paying interest on the money we're borrowing from them to give to them.

I'll let that sink in

kind of money, paying interest just to save face. Hilarious to offer aid to some one who's got enough money to loan it out.....

[8mpg]

Much emphasis is placed on the daily/yearly rates contractors are paid but there is more to it than just that.

The GAO did a report in 2010 that found it is often cheaper to use contractors than DOD/State department personnel for security. Sometimes they are roughly equal but it all depends on the requirements of the contract. One example stated it would cost $858 million a year for static security in a Baghdad embassy versus $78 million to use contractors.

Another example is for personal security for Baghdad embassy employees. $240 million government vs $380 million contractor. However, it was estimated to cost another $162 million for the govt. to recruit, hire, and train additional employees to fill their needs.

GAO-10-266R

How about not even having an embassy in Baghdad and saving all of it? Fuck an embassy and hundreds of millions a year protecting a building or two in a foreign shithole. Look at all that Benghazi money wasted

Actually, that's not true. Defense is less than 25% of our budget. It's not killing this country, it's one of the very few things we are supposed to spend on. Cut out money to the IMF, foreign aid, UN and stop spending money to teach african prostitutes to use condoms.

I whole heartily agree with you but if you look at the foreign aid budget (while it is a start) isnt even close to enough cuts that we need. $1.6T in deficit spending? The government spent almost $4 TRILLION in 2012. Foreign aid is 1% or so of the budget. We spent 160% of our revenues... please come up with another 59% to balance a budget

[Forever_frost]

I was pointing that as a starting point. After that, you cut the International Monetary Fund, the UN fund, demand everyone who owes us to pay us, disband public sector unions and reestablish pay rates, cut the funding to the EPA, ATF, DHS (security and health services), Department of energy, education, cut welfare to the bone. If you've been on it longer that 12 months, you get 3 more and then it's gone. No more funding to anything having to do with illegals, you send a bill to Mexico for expenses and deport all 12 million that are here.

And that's without actually cutting anything constitutional one dime

[Whiteboy]

I was pointing that as a starting point. After that, you cut the International Monetary Fund, the UN fund, demand everyone who owes us to pay us, disband public sector unions and reestablish pay rates, cut the funding to the EPA, ATF, DHS (security and health services), Department of energy, education, cut welfare to the bone. If you've been on it longer that 12 months, you get 3 more and then it's gone. No more funding to anything having to do with illegals, you send a bill to Mexico for expenses and deport all 12 million that are here.

And that's without actually cutting anything constitutional one dime

I'd vote for that.

[jw33]

There was a guy running for president who had something like that in mind. I've forgot his name though???

[Forever_frost]

There was a guy running for president who had something like that in mind. I've forgot his name though???

You mean the guy who was so addle brained that he let the media talk him into arguing for legalizing heroin? Or maybe the old man who railed against people staying in Washington and pushed for term limits while staying in for 30 years. Or talked about responsibility to tax payers while double charging said taxpayers for flights. Or the one who's son came out supporting his opponent.

I forget. Which one?

[jw33]

Yeah, that's the one... But of course we got the other guy who was going to win in a "landslide".

[KBScobravert]

Much emphasis is placed on the daily/yearly rates contractors are paid but there is more to it than just that.

The GAO did a report in 2010 that found it is often cheaper to use contractors than DOD/State department personnel for security. Sometimes they are roughly equal but it all depends on the requirements of the contract. One example stated it would cost $858 million a year for static security in a Baghdad embassy versus $78 million to use contractors.

Another example is for personal security for Baghdad embassy employees. $240 million government vs $380 million contractor. However, it was estimated to cost another $162 million for the govt. to recruit, hire, and train additional employees to fill their needs.

GAO-10-266R

Sssshhh, I want to hear more contractor hators. So I can ask how many of them have eaten in an Army ran chow hall in Iraq/Afghanistan vs a KBR/Fluor ran one. How many have lived on a base that didn't have contractors to take care of them but got to see how nice other bases were that did have them.

Contractors are bound to a CONTRACT with the .gov and that is how they make their money. There are government agencies who scrutinize the work to the inth degree and take money back from us when we screw something up even as simple as leaving a char spot on the outside of a pan (seen it myself). We are a customer service based industry. Try and tell me how you loved the customer service the military provides itself. lol

It is cheaper to hire me to do my job than it is to to hire my US.MIL equivelant. I have insurance and literally one other benefit; my pay. Troops may only get paid a $$ but there are several more $$$$$$$$ in their benefits and support structures.

How about not even having an embassy in Baghdad and saving all of it? Fuck an embassy and hundreds of millions a year protecting a building or two in a foreign shithole. Look at all that Benghazi money wasted

Baghdad's US Embassy is the most expensive in the world by several fold. It is a fucking fortress. Benghazi was a shanti comparably speaking. The problem is now that we have built the Embassy in Baghdad, it would not make sense to just abandon it and loose our presence there.

[onemeangixxer7502]

Sssshhh, I want to hear more contractor hators. So I can ask how many of them have eaten in an Army ran chow hall in Iraq/Afghanistan vs a KBR/Fluor ran one. How many have lived on a base that didn't have contractors to take care of them but got to see how nice other bases were that did have them.

Contractors are bound to a CONTRACT with the .gov and that is how they make their money. There are government agencies who scrutinize the work to the inth degree and take money back from us when we screw something up even as simple as leaving a char spot on the outside of a pan (seen it myself). We are a customer service based industry. Try and tell me how you loved the customer service the military provides itself. lol

It is cheaper to hire me to do my job than it is to to hire my US.MIL equivelant. I have insurance and literally one other benefit; my pay. Troops may only get paid a $$ but there are several more $$$$$$$$ in their benefits and support structures.



Baghdad's US Embassy is the most expensive in the world by several fold. It is a fucking fortress. Benghazi was a shanti comparably speaking. The problem is now that we have built the Embassy in Baghdad, it would not make sense to just abandon it and loose our presence there.

shoot i wish ic ould be a contractor. That would be the tits!