Imagine There'e No Heaven

[Snatch Napkin]

I'm assuming that you've read the thread as you've stated that it's the same argument. With that assumption, I'd have to ask why you continue to read the debates if you don't see the point in them?

I keep hoping that these discussions will bring a new point.

I'll admit, it is tiresome to continually read the same thing every year, but it took a long time to convert the masses in each religion swap. It took a while to get the acceptance of a round Earth.

One of these days we'll either have more evidence, or the majority of the world will blindly follow some new path that man thinks up.

[Skidmark]

Do you have to believe in heaven to be admitted in to heaven?

What if a person has lived their life being good and doing good for others yet doesn't believe in God. Would they reach the gates of heaven and be turned away?

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My dad was born and raised in Thailand and is Buddhist. I suppose he does not get to go to heaven even though he's lived a good life, but someone who raped and killed 3 children, but asked for forgiveness gets to walk through the pearly gates.

[The King]

My dad was born and raised in Thailand and is Buddhist. I suppose he does not get to go to heaven even though he's lived a good life, but someone who raped and killed 3 children, but asked for forgiveness gets to walk through the pearly gates.

We don't decide who will enter the Kingdom, that is reserved to Jesus. Thus you will never see me post that any person is "going to hell" since I have no authority to do so.

[jluv]

We don't decide who will enter the Kingdom, that is reserved to Jesus. Thus you will never see me post that any person is "going to hell" since I have no authority to do so.

Does it state in the bible that the only way to heaven is through faith in Jesus? I thought it did, but it's not my favorite book or anything, so maybe I have it twisted.

If it does, then how would Brien's dad get into heaven? Is there an exemption form that he will need to fill out?

[The King]

Does it state in the bible that the only way to heaven is through faith in Jesus? I thought it did, but it's not my favorite book or anything, so maybe I have it twisted.

If it does, then how would Brien's dad get into heaven? Is there an exemption form that he will need to fill out?

That is indeed stated in the Bible.

How could Brien's dad get into Heaven? By the grace of God, same as all of us.

[jluv]

That is indeed stated in the Bible.

How could Brien's dad get into Heaven? By the grace of God, same as all of us.

So even though he does not have faith in Jesus, he might still get in? So why does the bible even say that it's the only way in? Just a bluff?

And with that kind of wiggle room, why would anyone take the rest of the bible so literally?

[bcoop]

or the majority of the world will blindly follow some new path that man thinks up.

Fuck L. Ron Hubbard, that cocksucker!

[talisman]

"Could have been worse."
"How so?"
"he could have been a Scientologist."
"I'm a Scientologist, Hank."
"..... Or.. A Nazi...?"

[The King]

So even though he does not have faith in Jesus, he might still get in? So why does the bible even say that it's the only way in? Just a bluff?

And with that kind of wiggle room, why would anyone take the rest of the bible so literally?

In my understanding, no one is automatically afforded a place in heaven (substitute Kingdom of God here) except the saints, i.e. those who have died for their professed belief in Jesus. Obviously these saints have demonstrated their faith in Jesus, so they fit the Biblical requirement to which you referred. The rest of us will all await judgement. Now, at the time of resurrection (which is when the Bible says we shall be judged) will he be given an opportunity, or a "second chance" so to speak to know Jesus? Not for me to say, but some interpret the Bible to say that if you have had the opportunity to know Jesus in this lifetime and deliberately reject Him, you will eternally damned. I personally affirm my faith in Jesus and would be willing to die confirming that faith, so I can not say what mindset would lead someone to reject Him. I suppose in short that's why I always recommend that people read the Bible themselves and not rely on others interpretations, and if that is considered wiggle room so be it.

[4.6coupe]

For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:25-28 ESV)

[racrguy]

For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:25-28 ESV)

Yay martyrdom!

[CWO]

Imagine there is no heaven. Nothing would change. Nothing.

[Snatch Napkin]

In my understanding, no one is automatically afforded a place in heaven (substitute Kingdom of God here) except the saints, i.e. those who have died for their professed belief in Jesus. Obviously these saints have demonstrated their faith in Jesus, so they fit the Biblical requirement to which you referred. The rest of us will all await judgement. Now, at the time of resurrection (which is when the Bible says we shall be judged) will he be given an opportunity, or a "second chance" so to speak to know Jesus? Not for me to say, but some interpret the Bible to say that if you have had the opportunity to know Jesus in this lifetime and deliberately reject Him, you will eternally damned. I personally affirm my faith in Jesus and would be willing to die confirming that faith, so I can not say what mindset would lead someone to reject Him. I suppose in short that's why I always recommend that people read the Bible themselves and not rely on others interpretations, and if that is considered wiggle room so be it.

For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:25-28 ESV)

Yay martyrdom!

I had a post written up that compares the actions of another religion, but I forgot to hit submit before I shut down the shop that day.

Then scripture gets thrown in and I'm reminded of the similarities in the stories of those two "obviously different" books.

Hilarity has become me

[The King]

I had a post written up that compares the actions of another religion, but I forgot to hit submit before I shut down the shop that day.

Then scripture gets thrown in and I'm reminded of the similarities in the stories of those two "obviously different" books.

Hilarity has become me

Don't know why you quoted my post, but you are apparently confused.

Speaking only for myself of course, being willing to die, personally, confirming ones faith is quite different than being willing to cause the deaths of others (infidels.....using my best Achmed the Dead Terrorist voice) in confirming ones faith. Now, what about those similarities?

Hillary has become you.

[Snatch Napkin]

Don't know why you quoted my post, but you are apparently confused.

Speaking only for myself of course, being willing to die, personally, confirming ones faith is quite different than being willing to cause the deaths of others (infidels.....using my best Achmed the Dead Terrorist voice) in confirming ones faith. Now, what about those similarities?

Hillary has become you.

I had quoted you this time because my original post (the one I inadvertently deleted) was in response to your post. However, with scripture thrown in the mix I felt it necessary to tie the whole bunch of you in together.

Martyrs and Saints are very similar.
Dieing for one's belief in their God falls under both categories.
Extremists from both Religions have done the exact same thing.
Moderates from both Religions cry the same fouls.
Earlier writings are nearly verbatim between both books.
Later translations are still very similar.
Later translations of the translations still hold similarities.


Now we have the New Living which is a crock, but at least it gets further away from its roots in the Middle East where those cooky motherfuckers live. This is where the divide takes off into the abyss allowing anyone to believe however they see fit with some crap that makes sense only if you've never read the original Bible.

No, I didn't vote for Hillary, but I would have rather had her than obummer.